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02-25-2025 03:05 PM
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If I was a cook I'd want to cook for people.
If I was a pilot, I wouldn't want to just fly a simulator.
If I was a painter, I'd want to have a show to see how people reacted to my art.
If I was a filmmaker, I'd want to screen the film.
Seems to me that it's a pretty natural impulse to want to share art.
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
He (Ted Greene) probably gave up gigging after he heard that recording.
The restaurant chatter was louder than he was, if you want to be ignored, might as well stay home. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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I really like wallpaper gigs. A loud venue is a busy venue, busy venues keep hiring musicians. Originally Posted by Mick-7
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+1 Originally Posted by Mick-7
Playing jazz music in a restaurant for noisy audience is a nightmare.
I used to play solo gig in a jazz club a few years ago.People talked loudly and hindered me to play.
Fortunately, the club's owner came and silenced the talking ones.
It was a jazz club.In standard restaurants, people eat and talk mainly.
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I've worn earplugs just to filter the crowd's sound on occasion on restaurant gigs
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+1 Originally Posted by Alter
I've worn earplugs just to filter the crowd's sound on occasion on restaurant gigs
Concentration of jazz musician in a loud restaurant=EarPlugs.
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For me, audience feedback has been an interesting part of my musical activity, whether or not rerewarding... it can give you a sense of fullfillment or it can incentivate you to work harder/better when you're alone at home or when rehearsing. Especially when it's a listening audience, rather than a chatting one...
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That's true. Originally Posted by frabarmus
There is a listening audience, talking audience and talking and listening audience.
One could say that every audience is good because they came to a jazz concert.
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On a restaurant gig, I don't expect people to stop talking and listen. I'm looking for unconscious movement to the music. Foot tapping, swaying, whatever. If I see that, I know the groove is good, and that's a big part of what I'm trying to accomplish.
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I generally love gigging. After a long period studying for a Masters and raising two kids, I got back on the horse around ten years ago and it's been a fun ride. In the middle of a freak week with six gigs (including one last night with Art Blakey alumnus, Dale Barlow): all jazz shows, different lineups with truly excellent musicians.
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During gig in the restaurant I always wait for a moment I will have the opportunity to eat something good ... Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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He did some gigs and they are even videos of some of them on YouTube. But his heart seems to have been in teaching rather than performance. Originally Posted by fep
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It would be interesting to discuss the jazz gig in the restaurant.
Probably every restaurant has its own rules...but...
I have such experience that gig in a restaurant for musician playing jazz limits him.
This means that jazz gig becomes a "pseudo" jazz gig.
Indications of restaurants:
"only play heads"
"play short solos"-the best1/2 chorus
"too loud drums"
"play quiet" etc.
"you play the same one"
Best
Kris
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Honestly, restaurant and cocktail hour gigs are my goal. Originally Posted by kris
Playing a 15 minute version of Girl from Ipanema where the drummer has brushes and the solos don’t go outside just to be outside, instead they reflect the song that’s being played. Sounds like a good time. A smattering of applause and then we move onto Fly Me To The Moon.
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When I had gig in the restaurant I played known standards ... People also ordered tunes that were not jazz standards... Problems began because nobody from the band knew pop song to play it correctly...There were complaints, e.g. too much jazz. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Honestly, restaurant and cocktail hour gigs are my goal.
Playing a 15 minute version of Girl from Ipanema where the drummer has brushes and the solos don’t go outside just to be outside, instead they reflect the song that’s being played. Sounds like a good time. A smattering of applause and then we move onto Fly Me To The Moon.
There are different restaurants and not everyone likes the band playing the so -called JAZZ.
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That brings up an interesting question: when is it "jazz" and when is it not? Originally Posted by kris
If it's a pop tune, of course you can play a jazz version of it, but what makes it really jazz, instead of just music? I wouldn't call Norah Jones' "Don't Know Why" jazz... it's jazz-Y, but really it's a pop-Y tune. The grammys it won were all POP grammys.
Personally, I don't think a line needs to be drawn, but I have a feeling some here likely do.
Jazz or pop?
It's a pop tune.
It's jazz artist playing it.
Hmm....
And if you are playing pop tunes, can it still be a jazz gig? I guess what I'm getting at is, if creativity and freedom to improvise is what makes music "jazz", that covers more than just what is commonly called jazz music. You can take a pop tune and play off each other, improvise the melody a bit, have everyone take a short solo... but if it's still recognizable as a pop tune, are you playing pop or jazz?
Again, I personally don't think a line needs to be drawn...playing music people enjoy is the point, be it "jazz" or pop or whatever... just curious how many people here think one does.
Personally, I think people would really appreciate more "normal" arrangements (read: not TOO jazzy) of popular songs at a "jazz" gig, especially songs their easily recognize. Since we're talking about restaurants and cocktail hours, not Birldland.
“There is two kinds of music, the good, and the bad. I play the good kind.” - Louis Armstrong
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Well, Louis Armstrong certainly won't get any argument from me! Originally Posted by ruger9
I must confess that most of the music I played at last year's short run of "jazz" gigs was pop music. It just happened to be the pop music of the 1920s and 1930s. There may well have been a few show tunes in there, too - I mean isn't Summertime from an opera?
Derek
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That's a big "if." Originally Posted by ruger9
I like the Branford Marsalis thing where jazz is "swing, blues, and improvisation" in that order.
So does the Norah Jones tune have those things?
So something like a Frank Sinatra tune with the Basie Band might have the first two things but be pretty light on the improvisation and the scale still tips decidedly into jazz. For something like John McLaughlin which is heavy on the improvisation and lighter on the other two things, we often feel the need to find other genre or subgenre labels for it. So it seems -- case by case -- to be a useful metric.
But no ... don't particularly care whether or not a jazz gig is pure jazz or whether that's a thing.Again, I personally don't think a line needs to be drawn...playing music people enjoy is the point, be it "jazz" or pop or whatever... just curious how many people here think one does.
A typical setlist from my trio gigs in New York would include standards, a few originals, some folk tunes like Liza Jane and Will the Circle Be Unbroken, and arrangements I did of other stuff like "Lay Lady Lay." So it being "jazz" isn't something that's particularly important to me.
Most of the time stuff we consider jazz is probably more like stuff that comes from a jazz tradition, than stuff that really passes some kind of jazz test. Bill Frisell plays tons of popular tunes that aren't jazz standards, and he wouldn't be recognizable as jazz to someone like Grant Green, probably, but there is a straight line from Grant Green to Bill, so we throw him in the jazz bucket.
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1) is that a subjective opinion, or objective fact? Hmm... Originally Posted by pamosmusic
2) even if it doesn't on the album, one could likely play it so at a gig. Would that make the album version a "pop" song and the gig version a "jazz" song?
What is Metheny's version? (and again, is this subjective opinion or objective fact?)
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This is a great paragraph. Bill Frisell, Jim Campilongo, Duke Levine, Jimmy Bryant.... Originally Posted by pamosmusic
"...country is jazz on the bridge pickup [of a telecaster]" - Brad Paisley
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What does people eating in a restaurant like to listen more: What a Wonderfull World or Giant Steps?
Does Coltrane's music fit the Italian restaurant?
What a Wonderfull World-It fits every restaurant because I had such an order.
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Well, this is art, so if you're looking for objective fact, you're looking in the wrong place. Originally Posted by ruger9
And a song isn't jazz on its own. It's jazz when its rendered that way. Literally anything can be played as jazz, but that doesn't make everything jazz.
Terence Blanchard plays Footprints as a straight eighth funk thing.
And half the standard jazz repertoire was not written to be "jazz" ... but rather was made that way by Coleman Hawkins or Miles or Ahmad Jamal.
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It seems to me that these are two different situations-playing in a restaurant and playing a concert.
I have never played my compositions in the restaurant.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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