Something interesting about the chorus of 'It Could Happen To You' (sheet music)

[pamosmusic]

Now you are the one who manipulates my statements.
I didn't say anything about the Omnibook you wrote.
Or you misunderstood me.
I said that the Omnibook is a kind of methodological exercise-starting material.
You practice with Parker's original recording... Small mistakes that you can correct are not important. You practice at a slowt empo piece by piece and adapt to the specifics of the guitar.
Good Buy
ps.
If you want to hear it, I'll say:
Omnibook-it's for less talented musicians like me.

let’s try this

“I said that the [original recording] is a kind of methodological exercise-starting material.
You practice with [the classic jazz] recording...”

Do you see?

[kris]

I read somewhere that Rodrigo intensely disliked the album, but when the royalty cheques started to pour in, he changed his mind!

It's true.
Miles talked about it in his autobiography.
Miles' version further popularized Rodrigo's brilliant composition.
Sometimes I listen to this album – a very nice Spanish atmosphere in Miles' vision.
Best
Kris

[kris]

let’s try this

“I said that the [original recording] is a kind of methodological exercise-starting material.
You practice with [the classic jazz] recording...”

Do you see?

no......!
I was referring to Parker's original recording.
Omnibook-this is a starting material.
You can try to play something from the Omnibook without Parker recording -first. You will become familiar with the notes and learn how to play it on the guitar.This first step...Please ...Read what Aebersold writes in the Omnibook.Maybe then everything will be as bright as the sun.

[Christian Miller]

Yeah I’m not getting it tbh.

I think I’m OK about that, though.


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[Mick-7]

This thread Could Happen To You - but hopefully it won't!

But back to the song.....

Here's Ralph Patt's vanilla chart of it, which I think is accurate, but people may disagree about chord synonyms, e.g., a dim chord may become a 7b9 chord (and of course in the Real Book it's mandatory to precede each 7b9 with a IIm7b5 chord), a IV^ chord may be called a IIm7 chord (Db6 = Bbm7), chord extensions may be added or omitted, etc.

Chords can assume different guises without their basic function changing. Brent said that I was "nitpicking" by pointing this out, "But it's not a plain V7 chord!" Doesn't have to be, it can be a number of similar chords that serve the same function.

[kris]

Yeah I’m not getting it tbh.

I think I’m OK about that, though.


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Good night!
In Polish-'Dobranoc"
Best
Kris

[kris]

This thread Could Happen To You - but hopefully it won't!

But back to the song.....

Here's Ralph Patt's vanilla chart of it, which I think is accurate, but people may disagree about chord synonyms, e.g., a dim chord may become a 7b9 chord (and of course in the Real Book it's mandatory to precede each 7b9 with a IIm7b5 chord), a IV^ chord may be called a IIm7 chord (Db6 = Bbm7), chord extensions may be added or omitted, etc.

Chords can assume different guises without their basic function changing. Brent said that I was "nitpicking" by pointing this out, "But it's not a plain V7 chord!" Doesn't have to be, it can be a number of similar chords that serve the same function.

I have the impression that this is not what this is about.
But I could be wrong because it's already night.

[pamosmusic]

This thread Could Happen To You - but hopefully it won't!

But back to the song.....

Here's Ralph Patt's vanilla chart of it, which I think is accurate, but people may disagree about chord synonyms, e.g., a dim chord may become a 7b9 chord (and of course in the Real Book it's mandatory to precede each 7b9 with a IIm7b5 chord), a IV^ chord may be called a IIm7 chord (Db6 = Bbm7), chord extensions may be added or omitted, etc.

Chords can assume different guises without their basic function changing. Brent said that I was "nitpicking" by pointing this out, "But it's not a plain V7 chord!" Doesn't have to be, it can be a number of similar chords that serve the same function.

But I think you’re missing the point, Mick.

Yes there are lots of chords that do the job “getting you to I” … ***but how does one choose which to use?

Brent was pointing out something potentially interesting about the way past performers of the tune chose from
between those guises.

Because they sound different. Dbm and Eb7 might be functionally interchangeable but they are not musically interchangeable.

Classic example … Ab6 and Abmaj7 … they’re doing the same work but maj6 is A Train and maj7 is Misty.

[Mick-7]

But I think you’re missing the point, Mick.

Yes there are lots of chords that do the job “getting you to I” … ***but how does one choose which to use?

Brent was pointing out something potentially interesting about the way past performers of the tune chose from
between those guises.

Because they sound different. Dbm and Eb7 might be functionally interchangeable but they are not musically interchangeable.

Classic example … Ab6 and Abmaj7 … they’re doing the same work but maj6 is A Train and maj7 is Misty.

No, I think you missed my point, the examples you gave are not chord synonyms, and therefore do not serve the same functions, brent's old piano sheet music had a couple of errors in it.

I have the impression that this is not what this is about.

I think the discussion is about interpreting the harmony.... what is the basic harmony? People will dress it up in various ways.

Q. "Does this dress make me look fat?"
A. "Well actually....."

[AllanAllen]

Brent, for more of the American context. This thread is like riding the Ashland bus at 1am, or the Red Line after a Cubs game, it's uncomfortable and you want to get off, but it's also your only way home.

[pamosmusic]

No, I think you missed my point, the examples you gave are not chord synonyms, and therefore do not serve the same functions,

The Dbm and the Eb7 don’t both get you to I? Ab6 and Abmaj7 don’t serve the same function?

brent's old piano sheet music had a couple of errors in it.

Did it? You just posted other links of lead sheets. Not sure why that should have more weight than anything else.

I don’t really know why this invalidates the point anyway — yeah — people could play Dbm instead of Eb7, A7 instead of Eb7, C7 to Fm instead of Eb7 to Ab … but why would they choose to do so? Is the artistic choice just irrelevant? As an improviser, I find myself more interested in the flexibility I have to make different choices and maybe not interested enough in the cumulative effect of those choices. Composers and arrangers tend to be much more cognizant of those things — so why not pay attention?

[Mick-7]

Brent, for more of the American context. This thread is like riding the Ashland bus at 1am, or the Red Line after a Cubs game, it's uncomfortable and you want to get off, but it's also your only way home.

Well, after a Cubs game, you were feeling awfully uncomfortable before you even left the stadium to get on the bus, which is also kind of true of this thread.

[pamosmusic]

Well, after a Cubs game, you were feeling awfully uncomfortable before you even left the stadium to get on the bus, which is also kind of true of this thread.

Mick I’m pretty sure you’re the rowdy drunk guy in this analogy.

[Mick-7]

The Dbm and the Eb7 don’t both get you to I? Ab6 and Abmaj7 don’t serve the same function?

As I'm sure you know, major 6th & 7th chords may or may not serve the same function, and I don't normally replace a V7 chord with a IVm chord, do you?

I don’t really know why this invalidates the point anyway — yeah — people could play Dbm instead of Eb7, A7 instead of Eb7, C7 to Fm instead of Eb7 to Ab … but why would they choose to do so? Is the artistic choice just irrelevant? As an improviser, I find myself more interested in the flexibility I have to make different choices and maybe not interested enough in the cumulative effect of those choices. Composers and arrangers tend to be much more cognizant of those things — so why not pay attention?

Not sure what point I was invalidating? As I said, there are many way to dress up (or alter) the basic changes, it's up to the interpreter.

P.S. - The chord changes in the chart that brent posted are almost identical to Patt's Vanilla chord changes, just a couple of insignificant differences I think.

[Christian Miller]

Chords are lame. I’m not going to play them any more

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[pamosmusic]

P.S. - The chord changes in the chart that brent posted are almost identical to Patt's Vanilla chord changes, just a couple of insignificant differences I think.

… he said five pages later

[pamosmusic]

As I'm sure you know, major 6th & 7th chords may or may not serve the same function, and I don't normally replace a V7 chord with a IVm chord, do you?

All the time. You probably do a bit more than you think.

Kind of a down the middle bebop sound for a V7b9

the ii part of the back door ii V …. Hipper using the tonic minor sounds though

[kris]

The Dbm and the Eb7 don’t both get you to I? Ab6 and Abmaj7 don’t serve the same function?



Did it? You just posted other links of lead sheets. Not sure why that should have more weight than anything else.

I don’t really know why this invalidates the point anyway — yeah — people could play Dbm instead of Eb7, A7 instead of Eb7, C7 to Fm instead of Eb7 to Ab … but why would they choose to do so? Is the artistic choice just irrelevant? As an improviser, I find myself more interested in the flexibility I have to make different choices and maybe not interested enough in the cumulative effect of those choices. Composers and arrangers tend to be much more cognizant of those things — so why not pay attention?

You constantly asks questions...?The strangely provocative nature of the conversation.
After all, it's going nowhere.

[Mick-7]

All the time. You probably do a bit more than you think.

Kind of a down the middle bebop sound for a V7b9

the ii part of the back door ii V …. Hipper using the tonic minor sounds though

Well, let's see, IVm would just be a IIm7b5 without the root, right? - or a suspended V7b9 chord. But in this song it's actually a IVm^7 chord (in bar 10). There's a major 7th in the melody, so a V9b5 would be practically the same chord (Gb9b5 instead of Dbm^7).

Re: the piano arrangement that brent shared, the chords in it that seemed odd to me are just a product of piano voice-leading, e.g., the Db/F in bar 5, and C+ to Cm7b5 (to F7) in the turnaround, which doesn't work so well on the guitar, although C7+ > Cm7 > F7b9 is nice.

[pamosmusic]

You constantly asks questions...?l

Imagine how my parents must’ve felt with me as a five year old.

[kris]

Has anyone ever played this beautiful jazz standard at a concert in front of an audience?
If so. Then please tell us which version of chord changes it was.
Or maybe someone who played these chord changes were not comfortable?
There is no end to this discussion.
ps
You can do that with any jazz standard – it's a waste of time.
Musicology, history,jazz theory – quite a confusion in our heads.

[pamosmusic]

Well, let's see, IVm would just be a IIm7b5 without the root, right? - or a suspended V7b9 chord. But in this song it's actually a IVm^7 chord (in bar 10). There's a major 7th in the melody, so a V9b5 would be practically the same chord (Gb9b5 instead of Dbm^7).

Yeah that’s pretty typical in those cadences … m3-4 of Just Friends or m7 of Stella by Starlight. Actually that iv minor sound is hidden alllllll over that tune.

Re: the piano arrangement that brent shared, the chords in it that seemed odd to me are just a product of piano voice-leading, e.g., the Db/F in bar 5, and C+ to Cm7b5 (to F7) in the turnaround, which doesn't work so well on the guitar, although C7+ > Cm7 > F7b9 is nice.

Yeah that’s a pretty move. Kind of the reason this is a potentially useful endeavor.

[kris]

Imagine how my parents must’ve felt with me as a five year old.

Poor parents - such an intelligent child.
Sometimes I have the impression that I am in kindergarten.
And it's very cheerful and fun here.

[Mick-7]

Has anyone ever played this beautiful jazz standard at a concert in front of an audience? If so. Then please tell us which version of chord changes it was. Or maybe someone who played these chord changes were not comfortable? There is no end to this discussion.

Yeah, maybe we should just follow Christian's lead....

Chords are lame. I’m not going to play them any more

Sometimes I have the impression that I am in kindergarten. And it's very cheerful and fun here.

Except when the children fight on the playground.

[kris]

Yeah, maybe we should just follow Christian's lead....

These are jokes without meaning, they are Christian's domain.
Word game... or something like that.
Best
Kris