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    Quote Originally Posted by brent.h
    lol some kids don't have the skills for autodidacticism for music just yet...in my experience, kids' ability to reflect deeply and then analyse + evaluate things very critically, then act on it only begins to develop around 16, 17... really around the sixth form mark.
    This isn’t autodidactism. I teach what the Us would term elementary school kids.

    What I have generally found is that if you ask questions like ‘which bit of this piece do you think is most important to work on?’ or ‘what do you notice about my hand when I play this way?’ it works really well and stops them from being passive in lessons. The more they can think about what they are doing and the more they notice stuff on their own the better. And they can do this all at about 7 or 8

    A good book to check out is the Virtuoso Teacher by Paul Harris

    I sometimes think we should go back to the dialogue style for methods, like Fux. I think people would find it a bit stylistically contrived these days but I think it has real plus points.

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  3. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by brent.h
    i'm really happy for you
    imma let you finish...
    but beyonce had one of the best videos of all time
    ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS OF ALL TIME
    Youre obviously referring to Single Ladies and I hope you’re not being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Yes that’s an interesting idea, I recently got some masterclass videos on comping by Lage Lund and Chico Pinheiro, and they both talk about comping with one note, Chico especially makes a sort of whole counter-melody out of it.

    Also reminds me of something John Abercrombie said about Jim Hall on the Sonny Rollins’ ‘The Bridge’, there’s a track where Jim just plays single notes behind Sonny. Abercrombie said it was the best comping he’d ever heard or something like that, it was revelatory. (The track is Without a Song).
    Yeah, of course.

    A student asked me what they should listen to get better at comping and of course I said the Bridge. But I haven’t listened to it for a while.

    RIP Sonny


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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    Do you like it in a boat? Do you like it with a goat?
    back seat windows up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    Yeah, probably hundreds of times?

    It has varied over the years as I got to know the song better. Usually I end up with something simpler as a mental map of the tune over time.

    This is what I make the basic outline of the song. You can sub it to hell and back if you like, but this is my basic reference.



    Another tune that gets played a fair bit is Fried Bananas. Same changes.
    Nice


  7. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    Do you like it in a boat? Do you like it with a goat?
    I meant do you like these chord changes?
    Have you played such a version ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    They really don't like that sort of thing.

    Someone said to me in a college audition 'do you think you'll be able to deal with the demands of studying academic music?' and I unwisely said 'I have a degree in astrophysics, I think I'll be OK.'

    I didn't get it haha.
    I took chemistry as an elective, first day we did that introduce yourself and tell why you're taking the class.

    "I'm taking this as an elective"

    "Why? Wait what's your major?"

    "I thought it would be fun, and I'm a math major"

    I never had trouble finding a lab partner that whole semester.

    Another highlight, this guy remembered hydrophilic as "the one that's gay for water" It's one of the few labels/technical terms I remember because of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    I took chemistry as an elective, first day we did that introduce yourself and tell why you're taking the class.

    "I'm taking this as an elective"

    "Why? Wait what's your major?"

    "I thought it would be fun, and I'm a math major"

    I never had trouble finding a lab partner that whole semester.

    Another highlight, this guy remembered hydrophilic as "the one that's gay for water" It's one of the few labels/technical terms I remember because of him.
    I remember the mathematicians used to come in to our quantum physics lectures and get really upset at the formalism.

    I married one in the end. Her opener was explaining the Hairy Ball theorem.

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    [QUOTE=Christian Miller;1467523

    I married one in the end. Her opener was explaining the Hairy Ball theorem.

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    She might have been hinting something to you my guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758
    She might have been hinting something to you my guy
    I was a bit grossed out tbh


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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    Yes, G is ok, but I can only remember the old style chords, see below.

    Attachment 132500
    Cm6/#7 and/or F7(b5) is a better choice for bar 10 because there's major 7th (B) in the melody and the phrase/lyrics seem to call for more dissonance there.

    Do you play dim.7 chords differently than 7b9 chords? I find the latter easier to remember than the former, at least if they're functioning as dominant chords.

    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    I failed to remember the newer Real Book chords, whilst playing the song with a friend the other day.
    That's good, because it has a couple of wrong chords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758
    She might have been hinting something to you my guy
    Some of your vectors are null but I like you anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    Some of your vectors are null but I like you anyway?
    i dunno what a vector is but I thought fancy science called hairy balls was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758
    i dunno what a vector is but I thought fancy science called hairy balls was funny
    Yes, scientists often lack social awareness, you'd think they'd reconsider naming it that.

    "There is no nonvanishing continuous tangent vector field on even-dimensional n-spheres. For the ordinary sphere or 2-sphere, if f is a continuous function that assigns a vector in R3 to every point p on a sphere such that f(p) is always tangent to the sphere at p, then there is at least one p such that f(p) = 0. In other words, whenever one attempts to comb a hairy ball flat, there will always be at least one tuft of hair at one point on the ball."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    Yes, scientists often lack social awareness, you'd think they'd reconsider naming it that.
    Why would you think that wasn't on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe2758
    i dunno what a vector is but I thought fancy science called hairy balls was funny
    Because it is.

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    Vector!? I hardly even know her!

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    The missus would also like to inform of the lipschitz condition


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    is that when you cant stop saying stupid stuff

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    I'll ask a not stupid question:
    Does it even exista the "best" version of chord changes to any jazz standard?...
    or you just shouldn't worry about it and play the way it suits you...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    I'll ask a not stupid question:
    Does it even exista the "best" version of chord changes to any jazz standard?...
    or you just shouldn't worry about it and play the way it suits you...?
    Well, obviously it’s not always your call. Depends on the context. My aim is to do what’s right for the gig, and if you are a sideman you need to do what the leader wants - if they have a preference.

    If you have a good understanding of the history of a tune it makes you more flexible. It’s good for the ears too.

    For example, while the II V changes for Stella are the right choice 80% of the time there’s a growing number of musicians who prefer the older diminished changes (as played on Bird with Strings). I would choose different changes for Indiana if doing a Louis style thing than if I were playing it in a bop group.

    The same for any tune. Prewar stuff has different turnarounds and movements. Less II V’s and so on. Manouche jazz is similar but has some more modern aspects. Bop is II Vs to death. Contemporary is different again.

    I’m quite unusual in having a wide stylistic range of gigs so it’s directly relevant to my playing life. But you’ll even find with top contemporary style players that they can be absolute sticklers for this stuff. Mike Moreno is a good example. Lage Lund too. I think it’s a New York thing, as Brad Mehldau said…. And that’s starting to influence players here who are serious about the repertoire.

    I get schooled on this stuff all the time lol. It’s good. It all comes out on the gig, then you go home and learn.

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    So, in short, everything depends on the level of playing of a given musician.
    So if someone plays the guitar excellently, e.g. fusion jazz and occasionally plays a well-known jazz standard, he can make a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    So, in short, everything depends on the level of playing of a given musician.
    So if someone plays the guitar excellently, e.g. fusion jazz and occasionally plays a well-known jazz standard, he can make a mistake.
    I think they are staging the discussion a little for the cameras. It’s a teachable moment for players watching. Open Studio does the same thing.

    Obviously fusion cats are not usually the most invested in the standards repertoire playing mostly super complicated original music, and Herbie stuff from the 70s and so on. Footprints is sort of in both worlds. A lot of fusion guys are pop session and theatre players by day of course. We only have so many hours in the day.

    I went years playing D7 Db7 and was none the wiser. Later I got schooled on it and I went a bit deeper with it - and basically went on the journey with it they do here.

    It’s a growing process and every day is a school day as they say.

    On the bandstand what you do is you listen to what the band is doing and play what they do.


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    You can use a completely different form and chord changes.Same well know tune.


  26. #150

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    You can use a completely different form and chord changes.Same well know tune.

    That’s cool. When I am in circles where footprints ever gets called, I might transcribe and suggest that version.

    I don’t think the aim of any of this is to shame people or gatekeep - although it is often used this way.

    The penny dropped when I was in Barry Harris’s class and someone called the old swing tune ‘China Boy’ that I must have played hundreds of times on gigs.

    He didn’t know it.

    We all have our specialisms, but I try not to denigrate other people’s specialisms, and I don’t believe I have done this at any point of this forum.

    Some people go really deep with standards

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