Arpeggios or Licks?

[henryrobinett]

That's so cool, you do mention "seeing" a lot

Yeah. I SEE the patterns on the fretboard. I see patterns and shapes in my mind that correspond to the sounds. People who have perfect pitch- not me- apparently do this, especially with color. Notes have certain colors. I’m not sure if they’re the same colors person to person. But I’m sure it has to do with the wave lengths of sound matching the wavelengths of color. But in my case they’re lines. Very simplistic. Lines that go up and down and various lengths. Depths. They tend to be of the same color. Kind of a red on a dark background. And harmonies; I just see them stacked and in motion. On an invisible timeline.


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[Christian Miller]

I've known a couple people like this -- frankly not many -- and they've all had one thing in common, so I'm curious if you do as well.

They all sing A LOT. Like you mention you like Bird's second chorus on All the Things from Massey Hall and they just hum you the solo and are like "you mean that part?"

So I think there's definitely a lot of osmosis and connection with the ear there, even with people who can sort of skip the part where they put it on their instrument explicitly. Not sure if that's true of you.

If you can sing it, then putting it on the instrument is just a matter of practice. The actual singing can be flat, whatever, but the sense of it is there.

I always say this, but getting the thing in my ears is most of the process of playing things by ear.

Even if you aren't fluent at playing by ear, you certainly can't play the thing by ear until you can actually hear it without a wrong guitar note throwing you off.

I'm trusting it more and more ...

I believe Warne Marsh warmed up by playing Lester Young solos in different keys.

[pamosmusic]

Yeah. I SEE the patterns on the fretboard. I see patterns and shapes in my mind that correspond to the sounds. People who have perfect pitch- not me- apparently do this, especially with color. Notes have certain colors. I’m not sure if they’re the same colors person to person. But I’m sure it has to do with the wave lengths of sound matching the wavelengths of color. But in my case they’re lines. Very simplistic. Lines that go up and down and various lengths. Depths. They tend to be of the same color. Kind of a red on a dark background. And harmonies; I just see them stacked and in motion. On an invisible timeline.


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Oh man … I don’t recall saying they sang WELL

[Woodstove]

This post has interesting timing for me. Just last week I acquired a book I heard about on this forum, Jim Fergusson's "All Blues Soloing for Jazz Guitar - scales, licks, and choruses". His approach is precisely to wed arpeggio and scale lessons with licks that derive from the material as he goes along. He discusses theory of course but also jazz history pointing out the players the licks were taken from and where to hear more. The licks are on a CD allowing me to record them into my daw and loop, separate measure, etc with ease. I find this strategy is the best I have yet encountered, at least for my brain, after checking out many other resources. Highly recommended!

[AllanAllen]

You guys are ALL trying to hard. I just play jazz. It’s just that simple. Pick up the guitar and play jazz.

Sometimes after reading Christian’s posts and a Paganini Caprice comes out. Gotta watch out what you read or learn. It immediately pollutes your playing.

[joe2758]

You guys are ALL trying to hard. I just play jazz. It’s just that simple. Pick up the guitar and play jazz.

Sometimes after reading Christian’s posts and a Paganini Caprice comes out. Gotta watch out what you read or learn. It immediately pollutes your playing.

yea, idiots..get loose for once

[henryrobinett]

You guys are ALL trying to hard. I just play jazz. It’s just that simple. Pick up the guitar and play jazz.

Sometimes after reading Christian’s posts and a Paganini Caprice comes out. Gotta watch out what you read or learn. It immediately pollutes your playing.

Well no. Lol. Not at all. Learn scales, arpeggios, SONGS and have fun!


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[AllanAllen]

Well no. Lol. Not at all. Learn scales, arpeggios, SONGS and have fun!


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I was just joking around. You must not be a chronically online forum member. Joe got the joke.

[henryrobinett]

I was just joking around. You must not be a chronically online forum member. Joe got the joke.

I wasn’t sure. I just wanted to verify. And I actually have not been on this forum for some years.


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[Christian Miller]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again

JGO, the place where people who massively overthink things accuse other people of massively overthinking things


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[joe2758]

The sad thing is how easily it could have not been a joke (from someone else). so i don't blame Henry for not being sure lol

[joe2758]

I was waiting for someone to say it actually haha

[emanresu]

Now. I am drunk atm. So don't judge me.

But putting licks vs arps is a blasphemy.
You could do that. But what does it actually do? you got licks. you got arps.
licks give you a bit of musical ideas. half-ideas.
arps give you none, but give you approved notes.

yup. thats it.
this "vs" thread. claustrophoby.
pick small room one or small room two.