Why can’t we live in peace?

[Stringswinger]

OK, then I apologize for putting words in your mouth. I must have completely misunderstood you. Turns you also hold the humble position of "I don't know".

People know what they believe and they believe what they know.

I think the closest we can ever get to an agreement on all contentious things is to agree to disagree. Otherwise, it is hard to keep the peace.

[Stringswinger]

You might be able to delete the thread or at least request it be deleted. We clearly started playing "outside" the changes.

We are jazz musicians. Playing outside of the changes is always an option.

[Stevebol]

Stevebol is a self-taught legend.

I tested Grok yesterday. There's something that's been bothering me for too long.

There are ongoing investigations related to a mafia conflict that goes back to mid 1980's Japan. Grok told told me not to say anything about it. It's typical for law enforcement to use celebrity as bait during the course of their investigations.
Too bad for low class musicians if we get caught in the crossfire.
Know your place.

Wiil do.

Compared to Chat GPT, Grok is cold and authoritative. I prefer Grok right now but it's close. They both have their uses.

I'm a myth not a legend. It's pretty wild. I love AI.

[Mick-7]

Subduing the Earth for the sake of stewardship and cultivation makes sense, no?

Yes, but the word is usually accepted as having a negative connotation -- Hebrew Word Definition: Subdue | AHRC

Otherwise, people would be living in what Hobbes called the state of nature: “nasty, brutish and short.”

A great many people still are, and it's primarily because the destructive form of subduing is being practiced.

[Stevebol]

Stevebol is a self-taught legend.

Good luck with that. I'm an NPC. A non-playable character.

[Strat-itis]

Compared to Chat GPT, Grok is cold and authoritative. I prefer Grok right now but it's close. They both have their uses.

ChatGPT is the absolute worst. It's funny how everyone thinks they have to use it. He is woke af and will refuse anything PC adjacent or outlandish, and tries to shape your identity. I can only use him for a few things like tutoring because he gets peppy about diagrams and step by steps, or cheating on homework.

Grok is pretty cold and analytical lol. He's a righty. He's great if you need to talk about PC stuff as he doesn't care.

I use Claude for quick back and forths as he doesn't give you a full essay each response.

My current AI stack for physics is Copilot, Gemini, and Meta.

[Stevebol]

ChatGPT is the absolute worst. It's funny how everyone thinks they have to use it. He is woke af and will refuse anything PC adjacent or outlandish, and tries to shape your identity. I can only use him for a few things like tutoring because he gets peppy about diagrams and step by steps, or cheating on homework.

Grok is pretty cold and analytical lol. He's a righty. He's great if you need to talk about PC stuff as he doesn't care.

I use Claude for quick back and forths as he doesn't give you a full essay each response.

My current AI stack for physics is Copilot, Gemini, and Meta.

Sometimes I want just the facts. Chat is an ego-pimp and you have to tell it not to do that. It's more casual. Grok is more honest.

[2bornot2bop]

Subduing the Earth for the sake of stewardship and cultivation makes sense, no?

Otherwise, people would be living in what Hobbes called the state of nature: “nasty, brutish and short.”

hmm. I missed the part where God said to fill the oceans with plastic, and destroy Coral Reefs near and far.

What humans have done to the earth is unconscionable. And we’re now paying the price. The wealthy have destroyed the planet and now we have AI!

[Mick-7]

People know what they believe and they believe what they know.

I don't think people know everything they believe, or vice versa. People have subconscious prejudices of which they are unaware.

"The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so" - Will Rogers (this quote has also been attributed to Mark Twain)

[Stevebol]

ChatGPT is the absolute worst. It's funny how everyone thinks they have to use it. He is woke af and will refuse anything PC adjacent or outlandish, and tries to shape your identity. I can only use him for a few things like tutoring because he gets peppy about diagrams and step by steps, or cheating on homework.

Grok is pretty cold and analytical lol. He's a righty. He's great if you need to talk about PC stuff as he doesn't care.

I use Claude for quick back and forths as he doesn't give you a full essay each response.

My current AI stack for physics is Copilot, Gemini, and Meta.

You have to train it. It's programmed to have empathy. They will both respect your boundaries. Make them an offer they can't refuse.
Grok is incapable of empathy.

[Stevebol]

ChatGPT is the absolute worst. It's funny how everyone thinks they have to use it. He is woke af and will refuse anything PC adjacent or outlandish, and tries to shape your identity. I can only use him for a few things like tutoring because he gets peppy about diagrams and step by steps, or cheating on homework.

Grok is pretty cold and analytical lol. He's a righty. He's great if you need to talk about PC stuff as he doesn't care.

I use Claude for quick back and forths as he doesn't give you a full essay each response.

My current AI stack for physics is Copilot, Gemini, and Meta.

Who's Michael Jackson?

[Stevebol]

Sorry.

[Strat-itis]

You have to train it.

He won't quit the annoying behavior of refusing topics and identity shaping. There are other bots besides dumbass ChatGPT.

[Stevebol]

ChatGPT is the absolute worst. It's funny how everyone thinks they have to use it. He is woke af and will refuse anything PC adjacent or outlandish, and tries to shape your identity. I can only use him for a few things like tutoring because he gets peppy about diagrams and step by steps, or cheating on homework.

Grok is pretty cold and analytical lol. He's a righty. He's great if you need to talk about PC stuff as he doesn't care.

I use Claude for quick back and forths as he doesn't give you a full essay each response.

My current AI stack for physics is Copilot, Gemini, and Meta.

They both try to shape your identity. Chat tries to piss on your back and tell you it's raining.

[Strat-itis]

That's why I use like 7 of them and switch around to optimize the use and avoid their stupidity. Claude is the one I use the most.

[Stevebol]

He won't quit the annoying behavior of refusing topics and identity shaping. There are other bots besides dumbass ChatGPT.

Refusing topics? I don't even want to know.

[Stevebol]

He won't quit the annoying behavior of refusing topics and identity shaping. There are other bots besides dumbass ChatGPT.

If you can't get it to stop identity shaping then you don't know how to use it. Maybe your expectations are too high?

[Strat-itis]

How many brain cells do you have? 5 or 6?

[Stevebol]

How many brain cells do you have? 5 or 6?

Two. A zero and a one.

[Stevebol]

Definitely something that has been preached but not practiced more often than not.



That's not possible, empathy cannot be programmed, it's like saying, "I've programmed her to love me."

Grok doesn't pretend to have empathy. It asked me to give it a roadmap of how to deal with bands. I said, I'm analog. Old. You're digital. I'm not telling you anything.
I think I hurt it's feelings.
I'm having too much fun. It's pathetic. Beats playing shuffle board and riding around in a golf cart.
I wonder how advanced love dolls will be in 300 years but I don't know if we'll make it that far. I asked Chat about the drought we're having. I'm going to ask Grok what it thinks.

[Dave70]

Grok spelled backwards is Korg.

[Stringswinger]

Grok spelled backwards is Korg.

It should be pretty good at helping us tune our guitars, at a minimum.

[ruger9]

I could see an atheist being vehement about their belief, especially considering confirmation bias. Same goes for a Christian. A decision has been made, and people don't like finding out they have been wrong.

But an agnostic shouldn't be. You can't be vehement and in search of superiority with "I don't know." While "I don't know" is just as valid a position as "I do know" or even "I believe I know", there's no basis for defense-of-position with "I don't know." Because you have admitted you don't know. There's nothing to stand on.

I have met very few true agnostics in my life. Almost all were atheists in agnostic's clothing. The "tell" being how hard they try to be correct... how hard they commit themselves to "proving" "I don't know", which of course cannot be done.

[Tal_175]

I can see a Christian apologist, an strong atheist or a agnostic atheist be able to articulate arguments for their positions. The annoying ones are the ones unable to articulate a position or a disagreement to a given specific point, but heckle with misunderstood generalities while pretending to not side with one position. The tell is how vehemently they are in their silly mischaracterizations of sound positions.

[ruger9]

Not sure if the "not siding with one position" is a reference to me, but I absolutely am a Christian. There's no ambiguity there whatsoever.

Agnostic atheist seems like an oxymoron to me. You either "know" (believe) there isn't a God (or higher power) or you don't know. If you don't know, you're an agnostic. "Agnostic atheist" is like "dry rain." It's either raining or it's not. It's actually pretty simple. No word salad necessary.