How does this make you feel about your own playing?

**Bobby Timmons** · 03-07-2023, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

Apologies to those offended by it.

I'm trig.

**Christian Miller** · 03-07-2023, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

... but yeah, it was a bit "click-baity" wasn't it? Apologies to those offended by it.

im in no position to object

**Christian Miller** · 03-07-2023, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar

For chordal playing it's hard to beat piano.

For melody, it's hard to beat tenor saxophone.

Uh, why do I play guitar again? What was I thinking?

you thought it might make you attractive when you were a teenager and it got completely out of hand?

**Litterick** · 03-07-2023, 04:58 AM

Do the players of other instruments long to play other instruments? Or is just a thing among guitarists?

**grahambop** · 03-07-2023, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Litterick

Do the players of other instruments long to play other instruments? Or is just a thing among guitarists?

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**Bobby Timmons** · 03-07-2023, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Litterick

Do the players of other instruments long to play other instruments? Or is just a thing among guitarists?

I also like rock/pop so I would like it if I were good at voice and guitar. I'm not though, so I just focus on keys with jazz / art music.

**princeplanet** · 03-07-2023, 08:23 AM

Hey JS, out of curiosity (and stop me if you've posted the answer elsewhere), but why do you frequent a guitar forum if you don't really play the instrument?

**princeplanet** · 03-07-2023, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by grahambop

I think Miles' impersonation of Wes wins here...

**James W** · 03-07-2023, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

Rivalry and competition has spawned most great artists

I await the absolute reams of evidence you'd need for this to be anything other than a sweeping statement of incredibly grand proportions.

**grahambop** · 03-07-2023, 08:53 AM

Elvin did actually record his guitar once:

**supersoul** · 03-07-2023, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by grahambop

Elvin did actually record his guitar once:

man, I love Elvin Jones and now I love him even more!

**princeplanet** · 03-07-2023, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by James W

I await the absolute reams of evidence you'd need for this to be anything other than a sweeping statement of incredibly grand proportions.

Hmm, then how about "many" great artists? No? A few? Or was it just the Brecker Brothers? .... oh, how about that trumpeter back in the 50's that hid his hand under a handkerchief?

OK, now your turn, show me the tranches of evidence that support the implied inverse - that most great artists are not competitive (not even against themselves?).

**KingKong** · 03-07-2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Christian Miller

you thought it might make you attractive when you were a teenager and it got completely out of hand?

Because it's the coolest instrument and always will be.

Even in Jazz, Wes Montgomery, the coolest cat in the game.

As for the original video, its very good but 14 year old boys should be out smoking weed, drinking in bus shelters and getting into girl's knickers.
NOT spending all their time on being a virtuoso sax player!

**James W** · 03-07-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

Hmm, then how about "many" great artists? No? A few? Or was it just the Brecker Brothers? .... oh, how about that trumpeter back in the 50's that hid his hand under a handkerchief?

OK, now your turn, show me the tranches of evidence that support the implied inverse - that most great artists are not competitive (not even against themselves?).

No - I'm not making an assumption either way. I think it's a logical fallacy to claim that since someone avers that something might not be the case that person is thereby claiming the exact opposite is true.

In my study of one particular tradition - western classical music - however, I have come to the conclusion that artists have and have had a complex myriad of motivations for creating their art - personal, social, financial, technical etc. these things change over time according to historical conditions, the politics and philosophy of the day etc.

**Bobby Timmons** · 03-07-2023, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

Hey JS, out of curiosity (and stop me if you've posted the answer elsewhere), but why do you frequent a guitar forum if you don't really play the instrument?

To participate jazz wise.

**AKA** · 03-07-2023, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Unlike the guitar player who has the courtesy to just drool onto their own instrument while they're soloing.

An aside - I was at a show years ago at the “old” Yoshis in Berkeley and Peter Bernstein was playing his ass off (along with Jimmy Bruno and Frank Vignola) while also sweating waves onto his guitar. It was so bad he received unsolicited offers of handkerchiefs and napkins from the audience - all of which he curiously declined.

AKA

**Christian Miller** · 03-07-2023, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by KingKong

Because it's the coolest instrument and always will be.

Even in Jazz, Wes Montgomery, the coolest cat in the game.

As for the original video, its very good but 14 year old boys should be out smoking weed, drinking in bus shelters and getting into girl's knickers.
NOT spending all their time on being a virtuoso sax player!

Nah boss, nothing cool about guitar. It’s a ubiquitous dad instrument, and anyone who actually plays it well is basically a hermit. FACT

**Christian Miller** · 03-07-2023, 03:10 PM

Classical guitar is quite cool, but you are only allowed to do that if you are properly hot.

**rpjazzguitar** · 03-07-2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by grahambop

Trombonists try and get everyone’s attention after their solo has finished, by dismantling all the plumbing and then producing a funny little bottle of something slippery which they proceed to spray onto the inner workings of their contraption.

(To be fair, this is usually more interesting for the audience than their solo was.)

Trombonists get my attention by bringing a 4 inch square of cloth to catch the flood from their spit valves and then spraying all over the carpet like ... (I'll work on the metaphor).

**ragman1** · 03-07-2023, 03:55 PM

How does this make you feel about your own playing?

It doesn't, it's just some sax player playing fast.

**kris** · 03-07-2023, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by princeplanet

When I hear such optimistic jazz playing, it puts me in a positive mood for the whole day.
Thanks for video.

**burchyk** · 03-07-2023, 08:31 PM

I once mentioned to a piano player that I envy that they don't have to work on the sound quality and intonation of each note as much as us poor guitar players... He looked at me surprised and said that he always envied guitar players for having a distinct voice and expression opportunities... Made me appreciate what I had for a second.

**ragman1** · 03-07-2023, 08:33 PM

Only a second :-)

**princeplanet** · 03-07-2023, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by burchyk

I once mentioned to a piano player that I envy that they don't have to work on the sound quality and intonation of each note as much as us poor guitar players... He looked at me surprised and said that he always envied guitar players for having a distinct voice and expression opportunities... Made me appreciate what I had for a second.

Yeah, we have no choice but to see it that way - one man's floor is another man's ceiling... and all that....

**rlrhett** · 03-07-2023, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Christian Miller

Classical guitar is quite cool, but you are only allowed to do that if you are properly hot.

Yeah, when did that happen? Why are all the classical guitarists hot twenty something women?

I won’t pretend to be complaining, but it sure is a weird phenomenon.

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