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It's sort of like I put it on, listen to it for 20 seconds and I'm like wtf is this bombastic garbage?
Originally Posted by Mick-7
Clapton is a bizarre person. Just getting onstage and yelling racist garbage is so crazy. I don't think he's ever really accounted for it.
Anyway I love Blind Faith, a fav album of mine forever. Derek and the Dominoes is pretty ok. But man the rest is slop.
Hey while I'm at it, not a big Hendrix fan either. Although I prefer him to Clapton by many miles.
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08-06-2025 07:13 PM
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I gotta be honest... I think Wes kinda sucks. Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Say what? Clapton's work with Cream was epic.
What's next? Someone posting that Wes is overrated? Opinions are like.....you know.
....HAAAAAA....!!!! I got the keyboard warriors up in arms for a second. It's a JOKE, lighten up (not you, Stringswinger!)
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Funnily enough, Kurt Rosenwinkel said he was not a great Wes fan in that interview he gave to Rick Beato.
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To me, it makes perfect sense that you don't like Charlie Parker, but love Joe Pass.
When asked about what he thought of Joe Pass, Jimmy Raney replied:
"He sounds like Charlie Parker, all straightened out".
I've felt that way about Pass, except for the "Great American Songbook" album he made with Carmen McRae, where he used his thumb instead of a pick.
When I saw Jimmy Raney live, I asked him who he was most influenced by, and he replied "Charlie Parker".
Tal Farlow wrote in a letter that a friend of mine has, "I want my playing to have the linear quality of Bud Powell, and the surprise of Charlie Parker".
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Are you just trying to be irritating? It's working. Originally Posted by Jazz4Four
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Shine really wore off of Clapton for me when I started listening to more blues stuff. I feel like some of the other blues dorks like Jimmy Page took that stuff in some more interesting directions. Not to mention all the personal stuff. Originally Posted by sully75
Then again, I still spin Crossroads for no reason every couple weeks and when I do I always spin it a couple times in a row. Not the biggest Clapton fan but that track rules and he smokes all over it. He used to be my favorite guitarist, but I think thats probably the only Clapton track I’ve listened to in the last ten years.
Life can be so complicated.
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I'll try it again, it's been a while. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Check out Blind Faith if you haven't. Some sort of Garage Gospel Rock craziness. I don't know why they invited Eric but he nailed it.
He's one of those weirdos where clearly he can play the f out of the guitar but also is inclined to make shitty music but occasionally makes perfect music. but mostly, shitty. And a lot of it.
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461 Ocean Boulevard is tight tight tight, Blind Faith too "I have finally found a way to live..." ... we can probably thank Steve winwood for that
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What a weird assessment … and yet … I think I agree with it to a T Originally Posted by sully75
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Now that I have successfully pivoted this thread into a discussion about Eric Clapton, allow me to ask this question: Originally Posted by sully75
Do we feel that Clapton could play changes on a jazz tune?
I like Clapton, but I have never heard any indication that he can. I'm NOT saying he can't... but I don't know of a recording where he plays in a jazz idiom.
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No. Originally Posted by Jazz4Four
Do we feel like Charlie Parker could shred a blues tune?
Boom. Got em.
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Clapton played a Legends tour with David Sanborn in the late 90's.Not his best playing but he holds his own on the tunes and no he's not playing changes.A lot of younger guys don't understand the huge impact he had on the guitar scene in 60's and early 70's. Originally Posted by Jazz4Four
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Im having a hard time getting past the cargo pants … Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. Farlow is great. Originally Posted by sgcim
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He plays jazz-ishly here and there, but his main thing is superimposing blues vocabulary over other styles. He does actually make the changes (as opposed to just staying in one pentatonic box), but his palette is simple and idiomatically blues rather than jazz. This probably as jazzy as he gets: Originally Posted by Jazz4Four
There are also the concerts he did with Wynton Marsalis (tons of videos on youtube), where he slightly adapts himself to this sort of trad/dixieland vibe of the Marsalis arrangements, but it mostly sounds kind of fish-out-of-water to me. His soloing on Had to Cry Today and Do What You Like on Blind Faith have a kind of modal character to them.
Could he play something closer to "real" jazz? He's obviously a competent musician with great time, expressiveness on his instrument, and taste as a soloist, so I'm sure he could have learned to play more kinds of music than he has played. But he hasn't, and doesn't seem ever to have wanted to.
When I was starting to play, he was my first inspiration and point of entry to soloing. Just as a matter of historical fact he is one of the inventors of rock guitar soloing, and a true innovator. Cream was the first of the guitar-hero groups to release a record, and even if others eventually eclipsed him you can't take that away from him. I love pretty much everything he did through the Layla album. But he stopped growing musically after that (at least as a guitar player; his singing evolved more), and for a long time regressed. Once he got sober in the 90s his playing woke up a bit, but nothing he has done since Layla can touch what he did up to that point (and a lot of it is dreck).
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I have hot takes on Wes too… Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Say what? Clapton's work with Cream was epic.
What's next? Someone posting that Wes is overrated? Opinions are like.....you know.
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Ooooo that was devastating. I think I have to slink away in shame now. Originally Posted by Jazz4Four
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The pro/hobbyist thing is stupid.
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Clapton - it’s that the bloke who sounded almost exactly like Freddie King? Love some Freddie.
I think Cream made great pop records. The live stuff I can take or leave.
From the playing side I’ve tended to appreciate Clappo’s early playing more as I’ve understood the historical context a bit more, why he was influential. I heard him play once live and was impressed by the clarity of what he was doing. He always sounds good. I do find him a bit imitative of Freddie. It’s a known thing.
He did put that sound into a new context, but I never got the impression that was his choice lol.
When I was learning guitar in the early 90s he didn’t sound as exciting as Stevie Ray Vaughan, or as vibey as Hubert Sumlin or Buddy Guy. Or as pretty as BB King or Peter Green.
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Regarding the title, sometimes we lose perspective on this forum. 99.9% do not like Charlie Parker and can't stand his music for more than 10 seconds. We are the anomaly.
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Funny thing is that I never listened much to Clapton for some reason. First I heard the rock guys like Led Zep, Free, etc. then I got into Hendrix, then someone played some blues records to me (the 3 Kings, Albert Collins, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters) which I loved. So I was already steeped in hardcore blues before I heard Clapton.
I just preferred the original blues guys because they had the whole ‘package’, i.e. they could sing, they could play great guitar, and they had a bit of humour and entertainment value (e.g. Albert Collins ‘Conversation with Collins’).
Clapton just seemed less interesting to me by comparison.
More recently I got his stuff with Peter Green, which I liked more. But I still don’t listen to it as much as the original blues guys.
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yeah I was thinking that. Most people just hate all jazz, which simplifies matters considerably for them. Originally Posted by Tal_175
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"I simply stated I don't get why everyone has to like him.";
This is another stupid strawman statement.
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I really like this solo(2:00). It’s piercing and fits the tune well. And the outro solo. Just good rock and roll. Originally Posted by grahambop
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He has often mimicked his idols (From the Cradle is probably the most extreme case of that, which has both guitar and vocal mimicry). It's not just FK, though. He quotes, Albert, BB, and Otis Rush all over the place, too. Everyone playing electric blues guitar does that, though. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
We all have our tastes. SRV was a great one, but I'm more likely to listen to Jimmy V than Stevie Ray TBH. Out of all of that second wave of Chicago/urban lead guitar players after BB and Albert (e.g., Otis Rush, Buddy Guy, Magic Sam) and the white guys who came a little later (both Brit and American), I gravitate most to Otis Rush and Mike Bloomfield. Clapton was the first one I got into (and that early deep dive is deeply ingrained), but I like very little of what came after Layla.
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