Improvising over Dm9 - Bb9#11 - G/A-A+7 progression?

[ragman1]

I already know about those and I'm not demanding anything, it's up to him. He wrote a whole big thing about how he'd play it:

Likely A minor triad based for the D- chord. Bluesy tension 4 would sound perfect. Tension 2 all day.
6, 9, and 12 note melodic triads bebop scales all day.
Melodic minor variations for the Bb7 and E7 harmonies using a C major triad.
Tension 2 with the bluesy #2 to access the modes of melodic minor while staying soulful and bluesy.
Tension b6 to get those G#'s in there.
Tension 4 just cause (and to give the bluesy 4-#2-3) enclosure around the E note.
6, 9, and 12 note melodic minor melodic triads bebop scales all day.
In fact... I might even opt to approach the D- harmony with the C major triad as well. Still emphasizes the 9 in the melodic structure over the min3. But with the added benefit of also tonicizing the 11 AND making the entire progression essentially based on a single triad, with shifting tension notes and bebop scale attachments. But it would lose the minor, soulful, darker vibe the A minor sound brings. Which would be a bit of a bummer ha

Maybe use Bb minor or F major triads over the A7, like Claus and Christian we're talking about. With the appropriate tension notes. F major with tensions 2, 4, and b6 would definitely sound hip... adding in the bluesy #2 (G#) note to stay soulful... and the corresponding 6, 9, and 12 note melodic minor bebop scales. Yeah. That ish could get nasty.
Who knows? Such a simple progression. We could take this in ALL KINDS of directions!
: )

Do you understand all that? Me neither. I'd rather hear it, wouldn't you?

At the end he admits:

But that's just how I would do it. And I recognize most people have no f'n clue wtf I'm talking about lol

I'm not looking to understand his method, I just want to hear what his version sounds like. I'm surprised you don't understand that.

[pamosmusic]

No, I haven't heard Jordan play all that complex triad stuff over the OP's loop, largely because he hasn't done it yet :-)

You've heard one of his students do it.

I'm not looking to understand his method

Yes we know, which is probably why no one particular cares to answer your calls to demonstrate their skills.

I'm surprised you don't understand that.

And I’m surprised you don’t understand that no one is terribly invested in proving themselves to you in this particular context.

[grahambop]

It's like someone trying to describe something by Beethoven rather than playing it, pretty pointless really.

damn, I better throw out all my books about music.

Actually I have an excellent book ‘The Guide to the Symphony’ by Robert Layton, describes all the important ones. Wouldn’t get rid of it for anything.

[grahambop]

Clausstrom played the loop using Jordan’s methods and ragman liked it.

Now he wants someone to demonstrate the approach sounds ok. Did I miss something?

[ragman1]

Did I miss something?

Oh, definitely.

Why are they trying to answer for Jordan? Why are they so hell-bent on defending him? Against what?

[Peter C]

I spent a few minutes playing around with some Benson-y 80s pop octaves based around Cmaj(Am) with D nat. min over the V (A+7). Sounded "corny" as heck, but it fit the feel of this particular progession. I don't think you're expected to "address" Bb9#11/E7b9(#11) at all and you'll likely get lost if you do.

[Christian Miller]

No, I haven't heard Jordan play all that complex triad stuff over the OP's loop, largely because he hasn't done it yet :-)



If you mean me playing the triads then I wouldn't know where to start, I know nothing about it, hence the request for a demo. It might be amazing, what do I know?

See, the problem here is that such requests are often seen as a challenge, like throwing down the gauntlet or something. But I'd never do that, it's far too immature. This is Jordan's thing, he's dedicated himself to it, he might even have invented it. I see nothing wrong in asking him to demonstrate it.

I'd much rather hear what it does than read a lot of text about it. It's like someone trying to describe something by Beethoven rather than playing it, pretty pointless really.

Try manners sometime.


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[Christian Miller]

You've heard one of his students do it.



Yes we know, which is probably why no one particular cares to answer your calls to demonstrate their skills.



And I’m surprised you don’t understand that no one is terribly invested in proving themselves to you in this particular context.

Yeah I mean that’s it. Total waste of time and effort, and also why I couldn’t be bothered to mention I’d already posted a brief demonstration above. Why would I bother?


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[joe2758]

Christian, do you ever call people "muppets?"

[pamosmusic]

Christian, do you ever call people "muppets?"

It’s 40-60% of his personality

[joe2758]

Yeah I mean it's implied always, I just LOVE that term and always mean to add it to my vocab but it just never comes out at the right time

[grahambop]

Christian, do you ever call people "muppets?"

course he does, you muppet.


(free demonstration for you.)

[joe2758]

I'm going to edit one of my posts from today where I said "I'm an idiot" to "I'm a muppet"

[grahambop]

Why are they trying to answer for Jordan? Why are they so hell-bent on defending him? Against what?

[Christian Miller]

I'm going to edit one of my posts from today where I said "I'm an idiot" to "I'm a muppet"

Just practice it in all twelve keys.

[grahambop]

I'm going to edit one of my posts from today where I said "I'm an idiot" to "I'm a muppet"

By the way I would say that ‘muppet’ is less rude/harsh than calling someone an idiot, it can almost be said with a degree of affection. Like saying ‘you twit’, or ‘yer daft owd bugger’ (in Yorkshire).

At least that’s how it seems to me.

[jordanklemons]

Jordan has posted vids to YT demo'ing his approach. If you really want to hear and understand it, google those instead of demanding a personal demo. It took me all of ten seconds to find.

Thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it.
If anything sparks questions down the line, feel free to reach out.

[Christian Miller]

By the way I would say that ‘muppet’ is less rude/harsh than calling someone an idiot, it can almost be said with a degree of affection. Like saying ‘you twit’, or ‘yer daft owd bugger’ (in Yorkshire).

At least that’s how it seems to me.

I think we should bring “wally” back

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[joe2758]

I think we should bring “wally” back

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i like the sound of that, and no i don't care about the thread topic.

can you define and use in an example please

[Christian Miller]

i like the sound of that, and no i don't care about the thread topic.

can you define and use in an example please

I can be a bit of a wally sometimes


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[Joe Passé]

[pauln]

Just practice it in all twelve keys.

Just practice it in all twelve, fifteen, twenty-four, or thirty keys model.

[Christian Miller]

Just practice it in all twelve, fifteen, twenty-four, or thirty keys model.

There’s only twelve keys.

Don’t care what some wazzock says on YouTube.


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[Mick-7]

If that book is by Toots Thielemans, I'll buy it! -- Who played on this version of its not easy being green?

[grahambop]

Weird, I had to turn on a VPN to see that Muppets book photo (it was just saying ‘content not viewable in your region’).

Googled it and it suggests Imgur has blocked all content in the UK (people think it’s because of the recent UK Online Safety Act), so maybe that’s why.