Improv Study Group?

[pamosmusic]

Oh, now it's not etudes after all. Bunch of effing losers.

Here's another one, a bit more sophisticated. Pathetic, you wouldn't know jazz if it bit you in the face.

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Awfully saucy of you to notate this in 12/8 and then call someone else a loser.

[BreckerFan]

Oh, now it's not etudes after all. Bunch of effing losers.

Here's another one, a bit more sophisticated. Pathetic, you wouldn't know jazz if it bit you in the face.

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Also if we're being pedantic, the A natural in bar 3 is redundant, the F# in bar 5 should be a Gb, and the sequence of Ab, G natural, G sharp in bar 7 is making my eyes hurt.

[BreckerFan]

Idk if I'm allowed to post this or if it violates the sacred rules of (non?) etudes in this thread but here's one I wrote to work on some outside sub ideas on a blues

Modern F Blues Outside Substitution Etude on Birdlike - YouTube

Since I'm now trying to do music full time the notation is on my website for a dollar. But the analysis is there in the video which is more important anyway.

[GuyBoden]

Can you remember and play the etude from memory, without looking at the notation?

(Have you memorised parts of the etude.)

[Christian Miller]

Oh, now it's not etudes after all. Bunch of effing losers.

Here's another one, a bit more sophisticated. Pathetic, you wouldn't know jazz if it bit you in the face.

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You okay hun?


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[CliffR]

So it's studies but not etudes?

[pamosmusic]

So it's studies but not etudes?

Estudios only.

[Tal_175]

So it's studies but not etudes?

Yes, in English. In French it's etudes not studies.

[GuyBoden]

Yes, in English. In French it's etudes not studies.

études

Or, the French teacher will throw the board rubber at you.

[pamosmusic]

études

Or, the French teacher will throw the board rubber at you.

Got em

[Tal_175]

études

Or, the French teacher will throw the board rubber at you.

Those were the good old days. Now if I make a mistake I have to watch an ad in Duolingo. I'd much rather a rubber thrown at me, it's over much quicker.

[pamosmusic]

Idk if I'm allowed to post this or if it violates the sacred rules of (non?) etudes in this thread but here's one I wrote to work on some outside sub ideas on a blues

Modern F Blues Outside Substitution Etude on Birdlike - YouTube

Since I'm now trying to do music full time the notation is on my website for a dollar. But the analysis is there in the video which is more important anyway.

this is killing btw

my one critique would be that the twitch in your face tells me what you really want, in your heart of hearts, is to go full Keith Jarrett and howl all the notes slightly off pitch, and I really think you should let that happen.

[BreckerFan]

this is killing btw

my one critique would be that the twitch in your face tells me what you really want, in your heart of hearts, is to go full Keith Jarrett and howl all the notes slightly off pitch, and I really think you should let that happen.

Lol I've recently started trying to sing everything I play so I'm on the way. Still have more work to do on the gyrating.

[BreckerFan]

Can you remember and play the etude from memory, without looking at the notation?

(Have you memorised parts of the etude.)

Yes I've practiced the etudes I write a lot, I never have to read them.

[pamosmusic]

Yes I've practiced the etudes I write a lot, I never have to read them.

Not sure how anyone would play that monstrosity if they had to read it too

[ragman1]

I'd much rather a rubber thrown at me

In the UK a rubber is something else

[James W]

Ragman, it would be better in 6/4, definitely. Doesn't look like music in a compound time signature.

[BreckerFan]

Having an F# over half a bar of Ab13 because the next chord is D7 does not make any sense to me, and doesn't seem intuitive to sight read when the preceding note is an Eb. Having a sequence of Ab, g natural, and g sharp similarly doesn't seem intuitive to sight read at all. Also, Ab melodic minor does not contain a B natural or D natural, so I'm not sure how it's being implied by notating Ab and G natural. Also, what is the purpose of playing Ab vs G# melodic minor over G# diminished anyway?

If you're gonna be calling out people over trivial nuances of sheet music preparation and posturing as superior, yours should probably be unassailable.

[Mick-7]

Having an F# over half a bar of Ab13 because the next chord is D7 does not make any sense to me, and doesn't seem intuitive to sight read when the preceding note is an Eb. Having a sequence of Ab, g natural, and g sharp similarly doesn't seem intuitive to sight read at all. Also, Ab melodic minor does not contain a B natural or D natural, so I'm not sure how it's being implied by notating Ab and G natural. Also, what is the purpose of playing Ab vs G# melodic minor over G# diminished anyway?

If you're gonna be calling out people over trivial nuances of sheet music preparation and posturing as superior, yours should probably be unassailable.

Actually, ragman is just being a good boy and following a formal music notation rule: notate ascending notes with sharps and descending notes with flats, a topic we debated in another thread here (I was on your side on it).

[pamosmusic]

Actually, ragman is just being a good boy and following a formal music notation rule: notate ascending notes with sharps and descending notes with flats, a topic we debated in another thread here (I was on your side on it).

Well ... remember the only "rule" is that whatever the hell you choose should be the easiest thing to read.

(you're also misrepresenting what I said, but sure)

Either way I don't think writing a tune that's not in 12/8 as 12/8 would really put this in that camp.

[James W]

Well ... remember the only "rule" is that whatever the hell you choose should be the easiest thing to read.

(you're also misrepresenting what I said, but sure)

Either way I don't think writing a tune that's not in 12/8 as 12/8 would really put this in that camp.

Yeah it's the time signature that I have most issue with.

[BreckerFan]

I'm not aware of any rule that says you should notate a note diatonic to the chord with an enharmonic note outside the chord/scale just because of its relation to the preceding note. F# over Ab13 is functioning as the 7th, not the #13, whatever that is. It should be notated as Gb. It doesn't matter that the preceding note is lower. Notation needs to reflect the harmony.

The one note I'm being extra pedantic about (lol) is the g#. I understand notating it that way to show a leading tone to the A in the next bar. But in the context it makes no sense. I'm not sure why Ab and G natural are being notated over a G# diminished anyway.

Tbh I don't really care about any of this. It just bothers me that we're getting lectures on how sheet music is wrong because there aren't 4 bars to a line and then as an example of correct practice we get this.

[pamosmusic]

I'm not aware of any rule that says you should notate a note diatonic to the chord with an enharmonic note outside the chord/scale just because of its relation to the preceding note. F# over Ab13 is functioning as the 7th, not the #13, whatever that is. It should be notated as Gb. It doesn't matter that the preceding note is lower. Notation needs to reflect the harmony.

The one note I'm being extra pedantic about (lol) is the g#. I understand notating it that way to show a leading tone to the A in the next bar. But in the context it makes no sense. I'm not sure why Ab and G natural are being notated over a G# diminished anyway.

Tbh I don't really care about any of this. It just bothers me that we're getting lectures on how sheet music is wrong because there aren't 4 bars to a line and then as an example of correct practice we get this.

There was some thing way back when about how E# and Cb and stuff were dumb and they never use them. I said that most of the time when there is some doubt about what the accidental should be, we use the accidental that makes the function clear. Because when people are sightreading, they read contours as much as they read exact pitches.

So you shouldn't write C# C C# because at a glance it's hard to see what's going on. C# B# C# would actually be easier to read a lot of the time, because you can see quickly that you're playing that little leading tone bounce off of C# and the pitch below it isn't all that important. Or maybe you're in A and you have a weird little mediant chord F major, should you write E F# F ... maybe not actually, it might make more sense to write E Gb F, because that F#/Gb is a little chromatic neighbor to F.

Though I have to say, in ragman's defense, I am a four-bars-to-the-line partisan. Hardcore. Or I guess, I should say that you shouldn't break a phrase up across barlines. So the C section in Corcovado should be 4 bars, 4 bars, 2 bars, or 4 bars and 6 bars .... but for the love of all that is holy, please don't write it as 5 and 5.

(NB most people write it as five and five. I am aware that this is an idiosyncrasy of mine, but it does make music easier to read when you can see the phrases quickly)

[Mick-7]

Well ... remember the only "rule" is that whatever the hell you choose should be the easiest thing to read.

(you're also misrepresenting what I said, but sure)

Either way I don't think writing a tune that's not in 12/8 as 12/8 would really put this in that camp.

In that debate, my perspective was that the notation should reflect the chord changes rather than the form of the melodic line (the former should take precedence), which is what BreckerFan was suggesting - Gb rather than F# over Ab7, etc. An F# is no harder to read than a Gb. The time signature is irrelevant to this point.

[pamosmusic]

In that debate, my perspective was that the notation should reflect the chord changes rather than the form of the melodic line, which is what BreckerFan was suggesting - Gb rather than F# over Ab7, etc. An F# is no harder to read than a Gb.

And I said that's a lovely thought but most sheet music that exists in the world doesn't have chord changes written above it, and that many people who read music that does have chord changes above it aren't necessarily chording instruments.