How to use Modes for playing real songs?

[AllanAllen]

We are currently in an 11 page long thread started by another green player who thinks they need modes to start playing jazz.

You’re literally in the muck. This is it.

[mr. beaumont]

[pamosmusic]

Christian is on his way to yell at you

[John A.]

We are currently in an 11 page long thread started by another green player who thinks they need modes to start playing jazz.

You’re literally in the muck. This is it.

Figuratively speaking.

[AllanAllen]

Figuratively speaking.

I disagree, but my reasoning is a little existential. We exist on this website as our comments and the comments are in the thread about modes. So without exaggeration, we are in the muck.

I eagerly await your thoughts. And this comment will always await your thoughts even after you state them, since this comment simultaneously exists now(the moment I’m typing it, or you are reading it), and also in perpetuity as It sits here until the website goes dark.

[pauln]

I disagree, but my reasoning is a little existential. We exist on this website as our comments and the comments are in the thread about modes. So without exaggeration, we are in the muck.

I eagerly await your thoughts. And this comment will always await your thoughts even after you state them, since this comment simultaneously exists now(the moment I’m typing it, or you are reading it), and also in perpetuity as It sits here until the website goes dark.

Well, logically vs physically...

[AllanAllen]

Unfortunately, I'm just like this all the time.

[Mick-7]

Unfortunately, I'm just like this all the time.

You may have a future in cloud computing.

[Strat-itis]

What are you guys on about in here still?

I recorded this just now and it came out pretty well.

[charlieparker]

The original, 1969...

Didn't know that Zappa recorded that! Wild version from Frank.

[Christian Miller]

Christian is on his way to yell at you

Don’t look at me, guv. I made a bit of wedge from a video on that concept…

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[ragman1]

This stupid thread has turned into a display of opportunism.

Here's a version of ATTYA that sounds as though it's peppered with modes but it's not. This, whatever it is, is not modal playing. So What is modal playing. This sort of standard, unless the harmonies are altered, as some recordings have been, is not modal. I tried to make the distinction clear upthread but it was greeted with hilarity as usual.

Allan had it clear as a bell when he said:

I don’t really think about modes unless we get a request for So What.

[ragman1]

By the way, what did the OP mean by 'real songs'? I meant to ask him but didn't. Songs from the Real Book? Don't ask me.

[ragman1]

I eagerly await your thoughts. And this comment will always await your thoughts even after you state them, since this comment simultaneously exists now(the moment I’m typing it, or you are reading it), and also in perpetuity as It sits here until the website goes dark.

Absolutely. It was now when you wrote that, it was now when I read it, it's now as I'm writing this, and it'll be now when you read it. So it's always now.

And when the website goes dark it'll be then... um...

[Christian Miller]

This stupid thread has turned into a display of opportunism.

Indeed. The money is the only reason I got into jazz to start with.

[ragman1]

Indeed. The money is the only reason I got into jazz to start with.

Shame, shame, shame. But at least your kids are fed. I suppose there's that.

[Strat-itis]

Again, the modes are used all over jazz. It just isn't the best idea to force them over tunes instead of using authentic vocab, or use then as a basis for learning jazz as a substitute for sounding jazzy. You guys seem to conflate all uses so you can keep the confusion going.

There are 4 uses so it's a lot.

Tonal

1. Modes are the harmonized major scale in 2nds instead of 3rds. It's very helpful to know what the mode is of the diatonic chord you're on because it gives you the full tonality of that location. Say if you're on a 3-6, it's helpful to know how that's phrygian to aeolian even though you likely won't specifically use those scales.
Or a minor 2 is locrian, natural minor, your key, starting on the 2nd degree.

2. Modes can be used in moderation as scale choices or sub scales.

Modal

1. 1 or 2 chords with a single mode like So What.

2. Several modal chords that don't employ functional harmony, but have their lil a-functional system going on. Like Flamenco Sketches or Wayne Shorter tunes.

[AllanAllen]

Absolutely. It was now when you wrote that, it was now when I read it, it's now as I'm writing this, and it'll be now when you read it. So it's always now.

And when the website goes dark it'll be then... um...

Thank you for indulging me.

[AllanAllen]

Didn't know that Zappa recorded that! Wild version from Frank.

Zappa wrote it.

[Christian Miller]

Shame, shame, shame. But at least your kids are fed. I suppose there's that.

Ah you see it turns out there’s a small flaw in my plan


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[ragman1]

Ah you see it turns out there’s a small flaw in my plan

You're broke and taking in washing.

[Christian Miller]

You're broke and taking in washing.

Who could have foreseen it?


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[Strat-itis]

You're broke and taking in washing.

Sick em rag.