George Benson teacher attacking other teacher calling him idiot, a-hole and loser

[Christian Miller]

how are thousands of pages filled with black dots gonna help?

Don't ask me guv

[Litterick]

"Integrity: that's a valuable thing and I am willing to pay for it."

[Stevebol]

I flunked the course. I'm going to try being a battle rapper;

[m_d]

One of my favorite guitarists, Shane Theriot. First heard him when I lived in NOLA. He wrote an excellent book on New Orleans funk guitar. Has TrueFire courses, think he plays with Daryl Hall these days---seems to keep busy: a lot of his videos are shot in hotel rooms "on the road."

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Really cool player. I used to listen to his podcast. Southern US musicians have a thing.

[buduranus2]

It could also be a marketing move. Maybe he realized that the business model of selling his books at a very high price in order to create a perception of value (there is a name for it in marketing) doesn't work anymore.

It's called "price as a surrogate indicator of quality. "

[Litterick]

It's called "price as a surrogate indicator of quality. "

'A Veblen good is a luxury item that becomes more desirable as its price increases due to its status symbol appeal.'

[noisyneil]

FWIW, I would be very surprised if anyone could learn the GB thing from listening alone. The picking thing has very little to do with the picking hand and is mostly about the fretting hand; the way he approaches harmony would be nigh-on impossible to discern from the other end of the telescope, as it were.

Peter's problem isn't that he can't teach, but that it very much appears that way if one trawls through the endless poorly edited and disjointed snippets he has uploaded (and recently removed).

[Harry_Barnes]

just another two cents here, but i have found that the internet is more of an impediment to learning jazz guitar than anything else. That is my own personal view. IT is a huge time suck for a start. Any jazz instruction youtube vid will mostly be about getting you to watch more. I completely understand that it offers opportunities for musicians to earn some money by creating content or raising awareness about their method books and so on. Nothing beats finding a teacher in one's area, listening to records and transcribing solos. I wish I could find an organ player in my area who is also learning or maybe a bit more advanced than I am to practice. That is the real impediment. Finding people to just jam with and practice. Over twenty years ago, two friends who could play a little got into a university program here. Neither of them plays anymore. I was fortunate enough to have a university prof as my teacher who put me on the right path, and he made it clear that things have changed and I would not be able to get into the program nowadays (cuts and so on). Youtube jazz guitar teachers are a dime a dozen. The best advice I have gleaned from a few is to focus on transcribing more than just theory.

[mr. beaumont]

The internet is both wonderful and awful.

The problem is, there is so much info out there, and a beginner is going to have a real hard time figuring out what's crap and what's not, because anybody willing to spend the time and money can make a professional looking video these days.

[AllanAllen]

I like Jimmy Bruno above all the YouTube educators.

Unlit cigarette in mouth “Here’s some basic shit you should already know, play it through 12 keys, don’t want to? I’m sorry, you’re fuuuuuuukd. (Lights cigarette) Go to meteorology school instead. Send me $12, go fuck yourself”

[StoneWaller]

The internet is both wonderful and awful.

The problem is, there is so much info out there, and a beginner is going to have a real hard time figuring out what's crap and what's not, because anybody willing to spend the time and money can make a professional looking video these days.

As Admiral Akbar said, "It's a trap!"
One can wade through endless bullshit on YouTube trying to learn, for example, chord melody.... or... sit down with a book like TGs Chord Chemistry and spend days internalizing just one page of magic. When a concept finally clicks it's like being a wizards apprentice discovering a new spell.

These YouTube personalities and their bickering drama about who's the better teacher....Save that silliness for the morning toilet.

[pamosmusic]

just another two cents here, but i have found that the internet is more of an impediment to learning jazz guitar than anything else. That is my own personal view. IT is a huge time suck for a start. Any jazz instruction youtube vid will mostly be about getting you to watch more. I completely understand that it offers opportunities for musicians to earn some money by creating content or raising awareness about their method books and so on. Nothing beats finding a teacher in one's area, listening to records and transcribing solos. I wish I could find an organ player in my area who is also learning or maybe a bit more advanced than I am to practice. That is the real impediment. Finding people to just jam with and practice. Over twenty years ago, two friends who could play a little got into a university program here. Neither of them plays anymore. I was fortunate enough to have a university prof as my teacher who put me on the right path, and he made it clear that things have changed and I would not be able to get into the program nowadays (cuts and so on). Youtube jazz guitar teachers are a dime a dozen. The best advice I have gleaned from a few is to focus on transcribing more than just theory.

Eh some very good, some very bad, tons in the middle. For me the big tell is how upfront people are about their limitations. Folks who present a cure-all are by default not presenting you with accurate information.

I also got quite a lot out of this site when I was in high school. Small town with few opportunities to play much of anything, let alone jazz. I remember learning quite a bit from one Mr Beaumont. And on that same thing about people’s limitations, he never really presented himself as a teacher but more as just someone chronicling his own progress.

Anyway … I like learning stuff from internet folks but at this point I guess I’m far enough along to have a pretty good BS detector and to know what will fit in with my practice.

[mr. beaumont]

I'm old and old fashioned, but I can't deal with clickbait titles. Unless I really know who a presenter is, if I see clickbait I assume they're an idiot.

And yes, I know that's not the case, it's just my fogey personal bias.

[MarkRhodes]

There's the rub. This follow-the-Maestro method seems inimical to jazz. Everybody digs Bill Evans but nobody wants to follow him. His playing leads them to new places, where they find their own music. We all acknowledge the greatness of Wes Montgomery, but we do not slavishly imitate him. We are not copyin’ at the Half Note. I do not see what benefit could be had from Ferrell’s courses, unless one wants to be a George Benson impersonator.

Perhaps so. To play like one's idol (-be it Charlie Christian, Django, Joe Pass, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Wes, BB King, whomever) is a common desire and any progress one makes to that end is worthwhile.
One may have other goals as well.
One's goals may change along the way.

[GuyBoden]

I like Jimmy Bruno above all the YouTube educators.

Jimmy Bruno is funny too, I saw Jimmy Bruno play live at a Jazz Guitar week in Wales, he played at the Wales Jazz Guitar week a few times. (2003?)

[MarkRhodes]

I like Jimmy Bruno above all the YouTube educators.

Unlit cigarette in mouth “Here’s some basic shit you should already know, play it through 12 keys, don’t want to? I’m sorry, you’re fuuuuuuukd. (Lights cigarette) Go to meteorology school instead. Send me $12, go fuck yourself”

I love Jimmy too. I spent time in his online guitar workshop. Will always be glad I did. (Boy, when you do your homework wrong, he doesn't sugarcoat it.)

No shortcuts there, no magic bullet. He's more like Mr. Miyagi in "The Karate Kid": "Wax on! Wax off!" Over and over until it becomes a reflex. And he stresses learning chord inversions in various string sets (6432, 5432, 5321...) Not a lot of theory.

He doesn't teach licks or recommend transcribing. (I don't think he ever learned anyone's solo note-for-note; instead, he would pick up an appealing line here and there.) He gives you a tune and you make a video soloing over it and he tells you that sucked, do it again. That one should suck less. Rinse and repeat. (That's how it was when I was in his online school; I'm not sure what his lessons are like now, or if he's giving them at all.)

Jimmy's way is a lot of work. Most people don't want to do the work. I think of it as learning a craft: these are the things you have to know how to do and it will take time to master them but until you do, that's all you need to worry about.

As with so much in life, it comes down to what you really want to do. (And what you really want to do is what you actually spend the bulk of your time doing.)

[Stevebol]

'A Veblen good is a luxury item that becomes more desirable as its price increases due to its status symbol appeal.'

Count me out. I'm done talking about making money as a musician in a gilded age.

[AllanAllen]

I love Jimmy too. I spent time in his online guitar workshop. Will always be glad I did. (Boy, when you do your homework wrong, he doesn't sugarcoat it.)

No shortcuts there, no magic bullet. He's more like Mr. Miyagi in "The Karate Kid": "Wax on! Wax off!" Over and over until it becomes a reflex. And he stresses learning chord inversions in various string sets (6432, 5432, 5321...) Not a lot of theory.

He doesn't teach licks or recommend transcribing. (I don't think he ever learned anyone's solo note-for-note; instead, he would pick up an appealing line here and there.) He gives you a tune and you make a video soloing over it and he tells you that sucked, do it again. That one should suck less. Rinse and repeat. (That's how it was when I was in his online school; I'm not sure what his lessons are like now, or if he's giving them at all.)

Jimmy's way is a lot of work. Most people don't want to do the work. I think of it as learning a craft: these are the things you have to know how to do and it will take time to master them but until you do, that's all you need to worry about.

As with so much in life, it comes down to what you really want to do. (And what you really want to do is what you actually spend the bulk of your time doing.)

He’s got a real blue collar, contractor way about it. Which is where I’m coming from. It’s just music, it’s supposed to be fun.

There was a Q&A with the Lincoln Center Band and some student asked a member of the band what went though their head when they recorded such and such song and how the gravity of the work weighed on them and if they thought about the composers struggles during their solo.

The horn player said “man, it was a session, it was just notes on a page, and we made music.”

Jazz college really makes mountains out of this stuff.

[pamosmusic]

He’s got a real blue collar, contractor way about it. Which is where I’m coming from. It’s just music, it’s supposed to be fun.

There was a Q&A with the Lincoln Center Band and some student asked a member of the band what went though their head when they recorded such and such song and how the gravity of the work weighed on them and if they thought about the composers struggles during their solo.

The horn player said “man, it was a session, it was just notes on a page, and we made music.”

Jazz college really makes mountains out of this stuff.

Erm.

I don’t think that’s Jazz college. That kid sounds like he probably did an MFA in creative writing

[AllanAllen]

Erm.

I don’t think that’s Jazz college. That kid sounds like he probably did an MFA in creative writing

Oh, I assumed from his question the way my professors were about Euler’s Formula and Fourier’s heat transfer would relate to jazz profs about tunes. More of a general college criticism really.

[bediles]

Oh, I assumed from his question the way my professors were about Euler’s Formula and Fourier’s heat transfer would relate to jazz profs about tunes. More of a general college criticism really.

At my school, someone did wax poetic with a question for Scofield, asking him about why he started playing guitar. The question meandered and maybe included 5min of them talking about their inspirations and the alignment of planets or something. Sco gave a one word answer that cleared out half the auditorium. Comic timing was apt but not very polite.

[GuyBoden]

Teaching music seems to be a very difficult professional in everyway, not only financially. And then, students seem to have very few career opportunities in music too, especially within Jazz in the UK.

[m_d]

Really cool player. I used to listen to his podcast. Southern US musicians have a thing.

I checked his channel and subscribed, found this

which has to be one of the best instruction videos I've ever seen on YouTube...

[GuyBoden]

which has to be one of the best instruction videos I've ever seen on YouTube...

But, not as good as the original Barney Kessel Improvisation video:

[robocoptick]

some holdsworth inspired lines, with tony levin and morgan ågren.


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