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Did anyone else catch this?
Peter Farrell Guitar | It is time to say "Goodbye"
If you are interested in taking your game to a higher level, go to: peterfarrellguitar.com and have access to... | Instagram
Made me wonder if GB's people have caught wind of the cattiness and decided a bit of distance might be in order.
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01-06-2025 04:38 PM
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It could also be a marketing move. Maybe he realized that the business model of selling his books at a very high price in order to create a perception of value (there is a name for it in marketing) doesn't work anymore (Ferrari vs Mc Donald's is how we called it I believe). Now he wants to try a different model. But he can't just reduce the price without upsetting people who bought the books already. There needs to be a touching story. I suspect the books will remain on the market at this lower price indefinitely (or keep coming back to the market due to high demand).
Originally Posted by noisyneil
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The McRib Model Originally Posted by Tal_175
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I have to wonder how many pdf's he sold at those prices?I would say not that many considering musicians in general don't make the kind of money to be able to afford those prices.A pdf costing as much as a new amp is kind of absurd,just saying. Originally Posted by noisyneil
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Oh there was an email sent from his “PA” saying that JGO was a wretched hive of scum and villainy. You must be referring to a different occasion. Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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That's hilarious, anybody got a copy of that? Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Are you familiar with Ben Eller's series, "This Is Why You Suck at Guitar"? Juvenile humor and shredding---who could ask for anything more? I enjoyed some of his videos. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Now there are a lot of videos that use 'why you suck' or somesuch. Who among us could have seen that coming?
I think there is a big difference between guys like Tim Lerch (-who has a lifetime's worth of knowledge and skill and accomplishment to share) and guys who went to music school (-like Chase) and want to make money teaching guitar (-which is fine by me) but need to generate more content than they have, so they get gimmicky to keep feeding the beast we call the algorithm.
Funny thing about Chase, he studied with Barry Greene, who is a great player and teacher, but AFAIK, Chase rarely mentions (or credits) him.
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As an actual real life YouTuber let me just say you rarely want to put a video that you’ve spent time and effort into the wild without a reasonable chance of it getting views. One way that’s seen as a safe bet is using cheap marketing tactics. So we see that everywhere. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
If you want to attract new viewers, their only point of contact is your thumbnail and title, so there’s a it of weight placed on getting that right.
In practice you can end up messing with titles and thumbnails after the video is released in a sort of panic because the click through ratio is less than usual and so on. (Lots of people do this and I’m not actually sure it does much.)
But the cheap marketing stuff is not the only way to get this done. A good thumbnail/title should intrigue. Otoh if you put out click bait thumbnails and videos this will encourage a certain vibe from your viewers. Sometimes quite a toxic one.
But interesting thing is my most viewed videos don’t necessarily have classic YouTube thumbnails and titles. Also I notice YouTubers like Robbie Barnby just don’t do this. His videos have dead boring descriptive titles, and people watch them anyway because they are good.
If I could predict what the algorithm liked I’d get more views lol. Really the algorithm is people and the reasons they might click on a video sight unseen and this is always going to be complex.
People also don’t really understand how the algorithm works - even YouTubers. Theres a lot of misconceptions about how the whole platform works. YT does actually care about things like engagement and watch times
There’s a lot of animal sprits type stuff involved from the creator side.
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I think a good, simple and easy to read thumbnail works better than a click bait title. I never follow channels with click bait videos or drama. In Farrell's case I don't think it's that, it's just a temperament thing.
Kind of the same thing happened to me. Some time back, someone was asking for opinions about the Benson picking style on a Facebook jazz guitar group, and I wrote that muting the bass strings always gives me trouble with it. Farrell started commenting and gave me pretty much the Chase Maddox treatment. But I didn't take offense and afterwards he was chill and we ended up having a long message discussion about guitars.
My point being, today with the internet and all, everybody is supposed to be nice with everybody all the time, but that's just not always the case, and some people don't get the unforgiving nature of the media, or just don't care about it.
Doesn't make them worse teachers. I think his channel and teaching are great, and enjoy his videos a lot. I mean, some of my favorite Blues players were literally murderers, lots of famous Jazz musicians were nasty characters... wrong pronouns probably
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Why be an a-hole about it at all though?
We play music, we’re not performing heart surgery. It’s like grammar, it ain’t that serious.
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Except if you teach GRAMMAR (my spouse does Originally Posted by tomv713
) I agree with your comment nevertheless.
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Dani Rabin used to post here. He's part of the fusion band Marbin. Also, a helluva Gypsy picker when he wants to be. Also has a book out (Joseph Alexander / Fundamental Changes published it) on Jeff Beck's style. He really has a feel for that too.
Here: Berklee Harmony for Beginners.
Guy can play and he knows his stuff. You may not need THIS lesson, but his channel is worth exploring, as he casts a wider net than most.
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One of my favorite guitarists, Shane Theriot. First heard him when I lived in NOLA. He wrote an excellent book on New Orleans funk guitar. Has TrueFire courses, think he plays with Daryl Hall these days---seems to keep busy: a lot of his videos are shot in hotel rooms "on the road."
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There is a world of difference between a musician who shows us how to play an instrument and one who promises to reveal the secrets of a maestro. One is sharing knowledge; the other is offering magic.
Attacking another teacher at length for being wrong about the «secret of the 2-chords» indicates all kinds of ego issues.
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It's amazing how often not reacting to hostility in kind defuses it. Originally Posted by Alter
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If you suck at guitar this is why;
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Originally Posted by Litterick
I don't appreciate Peter Ferrell as a teacher because I find him hard to follow. He clearly can play, and he has mastered what Benson does, so he is offering what he claims to offer and with the blessing of the master whose method he teaches, which puts him in a privileged position. (Offhand, I can't think of another great guitarist---and I mean Great Among Greats guitarist--who has so publicly vouched for a single player to pass on his material.) It's not magic, it's a method; it's no shortcut, either. It's legit but I find Peter to be a terrible teacher, and the Benson method is not one I want to learn. (I was obsessed with Benson picking because I wanted my picking to be better; I never wanted to play the way George does.)
I think of Chase more as a music school grad who wants to make money on YouTube and build an online school. Props to him for the initiative and for keeping it going for a few years now. I wish him the best. But I don't think he has anything of his own to teach. There's a place for teachers who pass along a reliable approach to playing an instrument well. Being able to get a beginner a few rungs up the ladder is a worthy pursuit. But I lost all respect for him when he criticized other teachers for being wrong about something that they were wrong about. (In that same video, he said it is wrong to practice scales in 3rds because you don't play them just like that in a solo. It's one thing to say 'don't practice anything you wouldn't play onstage' but another thing to say that teachers who teach scale traditional scale patterns to novices are wasting their time, with the further implication being that one should not waste any more time with a teacher who teaches such a wrong thing and instead join the school of one who doesn't do that sort of wrong thing.)
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A much better example of Shane Theriot's YouTube material, a lesson on R&B chord moves. Very cool stuff.
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There's the rub. This follow-the-Maestro method seems inimical to jazz. Everybody digs Bill Evans but nobody wants to follow him. His playing leads them to new places, where they find their own music. We all acknowledge the greatness of Wes Montgomery, but we do not slavishly imitate him. We are not copyin’ at the Half Note. I do not see what benefit could be had from Ferrell’s courses, unless one wants to be a George Benson impersonator. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
In any case, Benson's method is not a mystery; the learned guitar teachers on this forum would be able to discern it by looking and listening. There is no «secret of the 2-chords», because everything is out there in public. I think Ferrell and Maddox are talking about chord substitution, but the learned teachers could correct me if I am wrong (which is likely).
Learning techniques from others is commonplace. Learning to play like someone, especially through a third party, seems a bit odd. Musicians pick up the traits of others and use them, without submitting to them or embarking on a journey towards enlightenment. This is jazz, not zen (of course, there was that period when all the young saxophonists imitated Charlie Parker to the extent of getting hooked on horse, but Parker was not encouraging them; he was listening to Paul Desmond).
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He thinks he has something which is monetarily valuable and unique. And he does, arguably. He's probably put in thousands of hours learning this and developing a way to teach it. Unfortunately people can bypass him and figure it out from listening to George directly, which is a challenge to his business model. The number of people who want to play jazz guitar is very small, which is another challenge to business. Originally Posted by noisyneil
And his mentor is George, who knew his value as a musician, vocalist and entertainer and expected to be paid commensurately. When the guy who did the Tal Farlow movie (Stefano Lorenzo or something like that?) contacted George's manager about doing a brief interview about Tal, the question was "how much are you offering?" Surprised, the guy had about $200 cash and offered that, to which the manager replied "George Benson doesn't get out of bed for $200." George did agree to do it, however, because of his respect for Tal (and maybe didn't even take the money, I can't recall). But some of that may have rubbed off, and why not? Artists and musicians have played for crumbs for decades while others make more money off of them than the musicians get out of the deal. I remember reading that Coltrane got union scale for recording "Giant Steps" and that was about all he got for it- one of the greatest and better-selling jazz records of all time. George figured out how not to get screwed by the music industry and more power to him. Now instead of record companies screwing artists, it's YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon etc. that are doing the screwing. Lots of folks are happy to give us gigs that offer great exposure as payment- as one put it, "I'm dying of exposure."
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I found Dani's video amusing, but also a nice demonstration that takes a simple, familiar tune and bends it into a new shape with simple concepts. Good to show newish musicians.
As an aside, why do so many guitarists have bad haircuts?
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The business model is clearly finding people with money who for whatever reason don’t feel they have hours and hours to listen to George and work it out for themselves. Originally Posted by Cunamara
It may even leave both parties satisfied, who knows?
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There may be a cross-section with the folks who can afford five-figure archtop guitars. If you're making that much money, odds are that free time is at a premium.
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how are thousands of pages filled with black dots gonna help? Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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