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    Came across these chords at rehearsal last night.

    What does the : mean?
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    Looks like it's just a lowercase i

    So Fmi7-- is Fm7

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Looks like it's just a lowercase i

    So Fmi7-- is Fm7
    I agree especially since "ma" is used when it is a major.

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    One of my many pet peeves on handwritten charts

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    Never seen it before, but it certainly looks like minor is written m: and major is written ma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar
    Came across these chords at rehearsal last night.

    What does the : mean?
    What are these chords-fm7-jpg
    It looks like a colon, but it's really a dotted " i ". If you look at the maj chords, he's using ma for those, so his convention is consistent.

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    I'd guess that this writer got complaints about an earlier chart (one without the dots) -- that the players couldn't distinguish minor from major.

    I agree that it looks like a colon and that it can be read, successfully, as a dotted i. But, a dotted i isn't two equal dots, so my guess is that it's just an idiosyncratic way of making minor and major look different. Or it could be a strange looking dotted i like Patrick already said.

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    the major chords have only one dot..so it appears to distinguish between minor two dots and major one dot

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    I haven't seen this "C2" chord notation on a common lead sheet, apparently it's a C add9 (C-E-G-D). Somewhat odd in that they notated the G add9 as G/A. The tune is Wichita Lineman.
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    Is it meant to be an ‘i’?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    Is it meant to be an ‘i’?
    The C2? It's a major chord.

    Actually, I just found another chart in which it is called C(add9) so I suppose this new chart solves the riddle but raises new ones, e.g., the G/A in the first measure of the old chart is now called an Am7(add 4), which is quite different - but all of this could probably be cleared up by listening to Glen Campbell. Jimmy Webb wrote some cool chord changes.

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    Last edited by Mick-7; 09-22-2024 at 01:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    The C2? It's a major chord.

    Actually, I just found another chart in which it is called C(add9) so I suppose this new chart solves the riddle but raises new ones, e.g., the G/A in the first measure of the old chart is now called an Am7(add 4), which is quite different - but all of this could probably be cleared up by listening to Glen Campbell. Jimmy Webb wrote some cool chord changes.
    There's a youtube video of Glen Campbell playing it solo, on the Craig Kilborn show. He just plays a Csus2, going and forth with a Bb major triad at the 10th fret. There's even a good shot of his hands.

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    I mean the letter ‘i’


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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar
    Came across these chords at rehearsal last night.

    What does the : mean?
    What are these chords-fm7-jpg
    Yea I think it's just 'i'. Whoever hand wrote this charts has a daytime job prolly a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    I haven't seen this "C2" chord notation on a common lead sheet, apparently it's a C add9 (C-E-G-D). Somewhat odd in that they notated the G add9 as G/A. The tune is Wichita Lineman.
    The string figure in that part of the song was supposedly composed by Carol Kaye in the studio but it's almost identical to the one that runs through Nights in White Satin from the previous year. An unconscious memory perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMB
    The string figure in that part of the song was supposedly composed by Carol Kaye in the studio but it's almost identical to the one that runs through Nights in White Satin from the previous year. An unconscious memory perhaps?
    I had to go and listen to both. I hear what you're talking aboput. Something must have been in the air.

    One sounds like "heavenly clouds of regret" and the other one sounds like "atmospheric radio static rippling thru a longing heart."

    In the Moody Blues I hear mellotrons (choir, flute and string settings?) while I hear a real orchestra in Wichita Lineman. I know there is also an electronic theater organ set to "funny" or "sci-fi," per Jimmy Webb. During the "still on the line" Csus2 BbMaj part there's a soft attack flute that reminds me of a distant morse code thru a fog.

    edit: I'm wrong about the mellotrons! On the back of the Moody Blues album it says "with the London Festival Orchestra"
    Last edited by supersoul; 09-25-2024 at 09:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Whoever hand wrote this charts has a daytime job prolly a doctor.
    Agreed, but I'd say there are 2 authors then. The doctor, and then a pharmacist who scribbled his or her interpretation above the hieroglyphs

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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoul

    edit: I'm wrong about the mellotrons! On the back of the Moody Blues album it says "with the London Festival Orchestra"
    It's a lie, they actually recorded it with the Manchester Mellotron Festival Orchestra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    It's a lie, they actually recorded it with the Manchester Mellotron Festival Orchestra.
    It most certainly isn't Mellotron! I decided to check out the entire album because I've never investigated the Moody Blues. It's a cross between Muzak and the soundtrack to a musical. Utterly lame! But it is a real orchestra... unfortunately. It would have been so much better with Mellotrons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoul
    It most certainly isn't Mellotron! I decided to check out the entire album because I've never investigated the Moody Blues.
    Kind of a parody of themselves at that point, their '60's albums are the best, for example:

    https://www.allmusic.com/album/days-...d-mw0000201054

    www.allmusic.com/album/on-the-threshold-of-a-dream-mw0000626725

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    Kind of a parody of themselves at that point, their '60's albums are the best, for example:

    Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues | Album | AllMusic

    www.allmusic.com/album/on-the-threshold-of-a-dream-mw0000626725
    Days of Future Passed is the album I'm talking about, from '67. Nights in White Satin is the last track. If that's their best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoul
    It most certainly isn't Mellotron! I decided to check out the entire album because I've never investigated the Moody Blues. It's a cross between Muzak and the soundtrack to a musical. Utterly lame! But it is a real orchestra... unfortunately. It would have been so much better with Mellotrons.
    Always preferred this version:



    Bought this album once at a flea market, might be something for a Milli Vanilli fan


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    Quote Originally Posted by supersoul
    Days of Future Passed is the album I'm talking about, from '67. Nights in White Satin is the last track. If that's their best...
    I thought you were referring to this album -- Days of Future Passed Live - The Moody Blues | AllMusic

    Or the album before it -- Live at the Royal Albert Hall | AllMusic

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    What has any of these later posts have to do with chord notation?

    What happened to staying on track?