What are these chords

[ragman1]

Syllogism:

Girls have hair
I have hair
Therefore I am a girl.

[Hep To The Jive]

First of all, what I said isn't a syllogism. Syllogisms are much more fun than that and not all of them are invalid. But that's something else.

Nonsense = hard to read and unconventional symbols. The OP brought it here to complain that he couldn't quite understand it, possibly because he was afraid to ask the guy who did it. That's his lookout. Don't tell me he couldn't find out in a second that Fm:7 meant Fm7. I mean, for god's sake.

Don't forget the image here is just a few bars so the original is going to be a lot longer. We don't know if the rest of the band found it acceptable, who knows? In any case, the OP's question has been answered.

I don't know why the bandleader couldn't use a simple scoring program. It's not a lot of complex melody notes, it's just rhythm slashes and chord symbols. At least it was in 4-bar lines. Mind you, the whole thing is rather dense and would take some learning. Probably not worth the effort unless you like that kind of thing.

So, no, I wouldn't be very happy if that was put in front of me but there you are. And if the whole band thought the same they could all say so and the leader might be forced to think again. Or not, of course.

But I also understand that seasoned pros might just roll their eyes and get on with playing it. Who'd be a musician?

That's a yes. I would just rewrite it for myself on my trusty Sibelius, and never looked at this nightmare again.

[Christian Miller]

Looks like a normal big band lead sheet for guitar, chord names written over notated rhythms, which I saw a lot of when I was in college. No one suggested that, say, Sammy Nestico, wrote it that way because he didn't know how to write standard music notation. "maj" was usually used for major and "m" or "min" for minor but some arrangers added a period after them.

So there's nothing really unusual about this chart, and I'll take those word names any day over ideograms such as triangles ( ^ ), plus and minus signs ( +/- ), slashes through circles ( / O), etc., which I've seen combined in fanciful ways.

When Nestico was writing, chord symbols weren't yet standardised. It seems like a lot of big band parts originate from this era.

Chord symbols are not standard music notation. My wife who is a classical musician calls them 'runes.' I do however think that they should be standard notation. Parsing a chord chart written by a classically trained musician can be a surreal and painful experience. What do they mean by C9? C9 Cmaj9 or C add9????

Hmmmm....

There seems no good reason to not use Berklee style standard chord symbols in charts TBH.

That said, I use the ideograms increasingly because they are generally pretty clear if you can read them and they are what's used in iRealPro which is probably what most younger musicians are familiar with. I also know how to do this now with keyboard shortcuts øøøøøøøøø

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Christian Miller]

Once again, I must invoke the Eldritch Sigils


Behold the majesty, but do not stare too deeply into the Vortex, or you will be lost.

Also singer charts. Just singer charts. Where? Why? How? And above all, What???????

[pamosmusic]

First of all, what I said isn't a syllogism. Syllogisms are much more fun than that and not all of them are invalid. But that's something else.

Nonsense = hard to read and unconventional symbols. The OP brought it here to complain that he couldn't quite understand it, possibly because he was afraid to ask the guy who did it. That's his lookout. Don't tell me he couldn't find out in a second that Fm:7 meant Fm7. I mean, for god's sake.

Don't forget the image here is just a few bars so the original is going to be a lot longer. We don't know if the rest of the band found it acceptable, who knows? In any case, the OP's question has been answered.

I don't know why the bandleader couldn't use a simple scoring program. It's not a lot of complex melody notes, it's just rhythm slashes and chord symbols. At least it was in 4-bar lines. Mind you, the whole thing is rather dense and would take some learning. Probably not worth the effort unless you like that kind of thing.

So, no, I wouldn't be very happy if that was put in front of me but there you are. And if the whole band thought the same they could all say so and the leader might be forced to think again. Or not, of course.

But I also understand that seasoned pros might just roll their eyes and get on with playing it. Who'd be a musician?

Tell me you’ve never played in a big band without telling me you’ve never played in a big band.

I can’t think of a musical situation I’ve ever been in where telling the bandleader a chart was unacceptable wouldn’t get you blacklisted from future gigs by just about everyone in the room.

Talk to them after? Sure. And again … this chart is very obviously a sloppy “i” and honestly not that far from the usual symbols for minor so I’m not really sure where yall are playing that a chart like this is unacceptable and unprofessional and worth a union strike. Arrange your own music, hire your own band, or do the job and don’t take it the next time.

[supersoul]

That said, I use the ideograms increasingly because they are generally pretty clear if you can read them and they are what's used in iRealPro which is probably what most younger musicians are familiar with. I also know how to do this now with keyboard shortcuts øøøøøøøøø

- and + are standard characters
ø is option-o (the letter)
º is option-0 (the number)
what do you use for the major triangle?

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One possible solution to a hard-to-read chart is a pencil, and put in your own chord symbols and clarifying marks. On the one that started this thread, just go and make the :'s into i's. In the end it might be more trouble than it's worth, and you just deal with m: for minor. It really ain't that bad!

A pencil is always a good tool to have, tho. This perhaps indicates that I've never used a tablet for sheet music, but I have marked up my realbook .pdf to be what I think are better chords. It's a bit clunky to do in Preview, but definitely doable.

[Christian Miller]

- and + are standard characters
ø is option-o (the letter)
º is option-0 (the number)
what do you use for the major triangle?

Triangle only for major seventh, letter only for plain triadic chords.

I think minus is OK for plain minor chords.

[supersoul]

Triangle only for major seventh, letter only for plain triadic chords.

I think minus is OK for plain minor chords.

Funny, I've seen triangle7, triangle6, and just plain triangle.
But what I was asking is: I don't know how to do a triangle on the computer keyboard. Do you know the keystroke or an alternative?
(Capital M, M6, M7 work, obviously)

[Christian Miller]

Funny, I've seen triangle7, triangle6, and just plain triangle.

I would use triangle7 for major seventh. I'm never sure if triangle is meant to mean plain major or major seventh. And as I undestand it depends on who wrote the chart. So I'd avoid it.

But what I was asking is: I don't know how to do a triangle on the computer keyboard. Do you know the keystroke or an alternative?
(Capital M, M6, M7 work, obviously)

Ah sure

Option J on a Mac

Does not work on the forum, it changes it to '?'

[supersoul]

I would use triangle7 for major seventh. I'm never sure if triangle is meant to mean plain major or major seventh. And as I undestand it depends on who wrote the chart. So I'd avoid it.



Ah sure

Option J on a Mac

Does not work on the forum, it changes it to '?'

? ahhh, there it is. Seems to work on my mac
EDIT: No, it doesn't! it works when in post preview, but not when posted.

[Christian Miller]

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Thanks Rag

TBH I think I'll just do ^

[Christian Miller]

It's & # 9 6 5 1 ;

I'm not sure why Rag deleted his post

[ragman1]

Try this. Type the symbols, not the words, and leave out the commas.

ampersand, hash, 9, 6, 5, 1, semi-colon

Hopefully it will display as

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But it's easier just to write M7, to be honest.

[joe2758]

△ sup

[Boss Man Zwiebelsohn]

Once again, I must invoke the Eldritch Sigils


Behold the majesty, but do not stare too deeply into the Vortex, or you will be lost.

Also singer charts. Just singer charts. Where? Why? How? And above all, What???????

Des grilles harmoniques sont expliquées dans le livre "Jazz: Mode d'emploi" ecrit par Philippe Baudoin (premier volume).

[Christian Miller]

Des grilles harmoniques sont expliquées dans le livre "Jazz: Mode d'emploi" ecrit par Philippe Baudoin (premier volume).

I refuse to believe it isn't a troll.

[ragman1]

Nuffink wrong with les grilles, mate. Triffic stuff.

[Christian Miller]

Nuffink wrong with les grilles, mate. Triffic stuff.

That ones melted, bazz


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[ragman1]

S'all that tek-nolgy, innit?

[Christian Miller]

S'all that tek-nolgy, innit?

You on’y gone an put the mains fru it, you MUPPIT


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[ragman1]

Bollox.

[MrCoconut]

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The chord is F minor colon 7.
What's the problem?
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[grahambop]

?
The chord is F minor colon 7.
What's the problem?
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It means you can play it wherever there are 2 dots on the neck.

[ragman1]

2 dots on the neck.

You can get cream for that.

[ragman1]

Mind you, if you have a growing fear of daylight, go right off garlic, and keep wanting to sleep in a big box, you might have a more serious problem...