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Maybe because there is not much else to say about the notation? The first response was pretty much it.
Originally Posted by BBGuitar
Are you guys still rehearsing it?
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09-28-2024 01:45 PM
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Yes, we are. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I thought my post re: the C2 chord in Wichita Lineman was relevant to your "What are these chords?" question, but like many discussions here, it veered off topic. Originally Posted by BBGuitar
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I don't know why you accept it. If it was me I'd throw this nonsense back at the person who gave it to me and tell him to write it out properly or I walk. And if you think I'm joking, I'm not.
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Hardly 'nonsense'. I suspect many of us have seen a lot worse than that. I tend to ask politely for clarification if something isn't clear. If someone has gone to the bother of writing an arrangment, they deserve a little respect. If the person distributing the arrangement didn't actually write it, it shouldn't take too long to work out what is intended. (If this isn't possible, then it may be a problem with the musicians rather than the arrangement) Originally Posted by ragman1
It would of course be a lot simpler if all guitarists were capable of reading actual notation rather than just chord symbols, which cause them to become a little overheated.
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Nonsense, otherwise there wouldn't be a thread about it.
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I’d let you walk… Originally Posted by ragman1
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This type of notation is called: "I don't know how you know how to accompany but I try in every way to make your life difficult and make you sound bad". Originally Posted by BBGuitar
If someone ever put a part like that in front of me I would say: "Thank you my friend, but find someone else to play with you.......and there's another thing: learn to write music!"
Ettore
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Or, how to use a (free) score-setting tool. Originally Posted by equenda
Depending on my feelings towards the ensemble and/or music I might even offer my services showing the ropes or doing the occasional type-setting myself.
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I usually just play the Lead line implied by changes on top of voicings. I have to admit... I run into worse charts.
At least the spacing was consistent and the rhythmic figures worked LOL
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As opposed to what? Grappling me to the floor? heh heh :-) Originally Posted by grahambop
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I don’t mean to ruin the mood but this chart is not that bad?
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I’ve seen worse. My pet peeve is with the arrangers (often credited to US military bands) who think it’s correct or cute to tie, for example, an E to a Fb across the bar line. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Seems like it is (a) correct (possibility) to tie those two notes -- at least according to this expert who is a classical pianist and has his own publishing company. Originally Posted by pcjazz
Enharmonic symbol - Page 3 - NOTATIO
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Nahhhhhhhh man Originally Posted by Bop Head
If it’s harder to read it’s wrong. For writing music for other people to read, it should be written however folks are going to interpret it best.
Usually writing music in a way that the visual shape represents the musical shape is the way.
Like Eb E Eb can be hard to read … Eb Fb Eb is usually easier, even though the enharmonic is weird. Not sure why anyone would ever feel the need to tie E to Fb
Maybe a key change without a key signature change?
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I forgot to mention that the guy who wrote that forum post learned the intricacies of music copying while working for Arnold Arnstein. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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what, and pass up the perfect opportunity to get you out of the band? Originally Posted by ragman1
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Unfortunately that doesn’t make it easy to read Originally Posted by Bop Head
But for what it’s worth, the thread seems to be on a different topic than what they were talking about up-thread … looks like it is on a remote key change with no key signature change
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You see a lot worse in classical scores.
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This chart is not that bad at all. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Fm:7 instead of Fmi7 is a little weird, but it's just the guy's writing style and I could deal with it. The chords neatly line up with the rhythmic notation.
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Looks like a normal big band lead sheet for guitar, chord names written over notated rhythms, which I saw a lot of when I was in college. No one suggested that, say, Sammy Nestico, wrote it that way because he didn't know how to write standard music notation. "maj" was usually used for major and "m" or "min" for minor but some arrangers added a period after them. Originally Posted by equenda
So there's nothing really unusual about this chart, and I'll take those word names any day over ideograms such as triangles ( ^ ), plus and minus signs ( +/- ), slashes through circles ( / O), etc., which I've seen combined in fanciful ways.
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I don't mind the triangles and dashes, as long as it's consistent. Sometimes I've caught myself mixing them up when I'm just jotting down a chart in a notebook, like a triangle one bar and then Maj two bars later. But it's only for myself so it doesn't matter too much. Originally Posted by Mick-7
Looks like a normal big band lead sheet for guitar, chord names written over notated rhythms, which I saw a lot of when I was in college. No one suggested that, say, Sammy Nestico, wrote it that way because he didn't know how to write standard music notation. "maj" was usually used for major and "m" or "min" for minor but some arrangers added a period after them.
So there's nothing really unusual about this chart, and I'll take those word names any day over ideograms such as triangles ( ^ ), plus and minus signs ( +/- ), slashes through circles ( / O), etc., which I've seen combined in fanciful ways.
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Sage advice indeed, but I fear that some of us might not meet your standards. For comparison purposes it would be really helpful if you could upload one or two of your own scores. The sooner we have these pesky variations standardised the better Originally Posted by equenda
I like your reference to the arranger as 'my friend'. We had a political cleric in this country who used to refer to those opposed to him as 'my friend'. He did a lot of damage. The phrase fell out of favour after he betrayed his political base and was drummed out of his own party and church.
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Interesting syllogism Originally Posted by ragman1
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First of all, what I said isn't a syllogism. Syllogisms are much more fun than that and not all of them are invalid. But that's something else.
Nonsense = hard to read and unconventional symbols. The OP brought it here to complain that he couldn't quite understand it, possibly because he was afraid to ask the guy who did it. That's his lookout. Don't tell me he couldn't find out in a second that Fm:7 meant Fm7. I mean, for god's sake.
Don't forget the image here is just a few bars so the original is going to be a lot longer. We don't know if the rest of the band found it acceptable, who knows? In any case, the OP's question has been answered.
I don't know why the bandleader couldn't use a simple scoring program. It's not a lot of complex melody notes, it's just rhythm slashes and chord symbols. At least it was in 4-bar lines. Mind you, the whole thing is rather dense and would take some learning. Probably not worth the effort unless you like that kind of thing.
So, no, I wouldn't be very happy if that was put in front of me but there you are. And if the whole band thought the same they could all say so and the leader might be forced to think again. Or not, of course.
But I also understand that seasoned pros might just roll their eyes and get on with playing it. Who'd be a musician?
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