Bebop Heads (#4) - Moose the Mooche

[James W]

Great posture. That was enlightening. Almost classical as the guitar seemed to be resting against your left leg.

Thanks. Against my right leg, yeah - I deliberately go for a classical posture and find the strap very useful for replicating that.

I don't find this head to require as much work as Donna Lee.

[AllanAllen]

Did you mean to say bar 12? I wrote what I heard in that bar here: Bebop Heads (#4) - Moose the Mooche

I think I meant bar 14, whatever this one is.

[Mick-7]

I think I meant bar 14, whatever this one is.

No, it's there, a perfect 5th to the Db. But I have found that the Bb after that Db can be omitted at a fast tempo (1/8th note rest instead) and it won't be missed.

[charlieparker]

Acoustic first 16. I find it's easier to get the neck in a better position with this guitar. Slightly faster tempo. Kind of ghost noting the triplets.

[Mick-7]

Acoustic first 16. I find it's easier to get the neck in a better position with this guitar.

That helped, yes? But I'd say that your guitar is still not horizontal enough, still too much bend in your wrist, a strap can help you correct that.

[charlieparker]

That helped, yes? But I'd say that your guitar is still not horizontal enough, still too much bend in your wrist, a strap can help you correct that.

Not sure what you mean by "not horizontal enough". Are referring to the tilt of the body? For the neck, I assume it's better to have it angled up.

[Mick-7]

Not sure what you mean by "not horizontal enough". Are referring to the tilt of the body? For the neck, I assume it's better to have it angled up.

I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it. Your wrist will be relatively flat, bent slightly if at all, if you hold your guitar correctly.

[pamosmusic]

I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it. Your wrist will be relatively flat, bent slightly if at all, if you hold your guitar correctly.

Might want to slow down on the specific technical advice based on the video. Guitar doesn’t look flat against his body to me. Seems fine. And tilted too far away makes the wrist worse.

If he’s interested in the advice it might take some time to settle in.

[Christian Miller]

Okay, I just played Paper Moon, Satin Doll and A Train over Rhythm Changes and I'm freaking out. You can't just drop something like that on me!

Changes are for noobs


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[Mick-7]

Might want to slow down on the specific technical advice based on the video. Guitar doesn’t look flat against his body to me. Seems fine. And tilted too far away makes the wrist worse.

If he’s interested in the advice it might take some time to settle in.

"And tilted too far away makes the wrist worse."

Thought that's what I said? - that it should be more parallel to his body. He has it tilted (but the acoustic is in a better position).

[GuyBoden]

Changes are for noobs

Looking forward to your next video.

[Christian Miller]

Looking forward to your next video.

How did you guess?


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[pamosmusic]

"And tilted too far away makes the wrist worse."

Thought that's what I said? - that it should be more parallel to his body. He has it tilted (but the acoustic is in a better position).

Case in point. You said what sounded like the opposite ..:

“I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it.”

… that sounds like you’re telling him to tilt the guitar further away from his lap so that the sound hole is facing more up to the ceiling than out toward the wall.

Giving advice like that without physically touching the guitar is hard to do.

It also takes a long time to correct stuff like that, so piling it on can make things worse too.

[James W]

Not sure what you mean by "not horizontal enough". Are referring to the tilt of the body? For the neck, I assume it's better to have it angled up.

May I suggest you adopt my posture?

[AllanAllen]

Too much talk about posture, not enough clips of you guys playing the tune.

[Mick-7]

Case in point. You said what sounded like the opposite ..:

“I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it.”

… that sounds like you’re telling him to tilt the guitar further away from his lap so that the sound hole is facing more up to the ceiling than out toward the wall.

The soundhole facing the ceiling would put the guitar at an angle, and it's front/back would not be parallel to his body as I said.

May I suggest you adopt my posture?

Yes, or Danny Gatton's in the video posted, his wrist is relatively flat when he plays. One can hold the guitar without bending the wrist while it's resting on one's leg too, depending upon the guitar and one's physiology.

[Christian Miller]

Acoustic first 16. I find it's easier to get the neck in a better position with this guitar. Slightly faster tempo. Kind of ghost noting the triplets.

I do think you should decide what you are doing with your thumb.

With the guitar in that position, you’d want to put your thumb over the neck to keep the wrist straight. Don’t bend that sucker.

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[pamosmusic]

The soundhole facing the ceiling would put the guitar at an angle, and it's front/back would not be parallel to his body as I said.

You didn’t though. You said the precise opposite of that.

Regardless, the confusion is my point

[Mick-7]

You didn’t though. You said the precise opposite of that.

This was the question and my reply, seems clear to me:

Not sure what you mean by "not horizontal enough".

I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it. Your wrist will be relatively flat, bent slightly if at all, if you hold your guitar correctly.

I do think you should decide what you are doing with your thumb.

Yes, don't move it back and forth, determine the most efficient playing position and stick to it. As I said earlier, economy of motion is required to play fast.

[pamosmusic]

First:

"
Thought that's what I said? - that it should be more parallel to his body. He has it tilted (but the acoustic is in a better position).

Then:

I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it.

The former says it should be more parallel to his body. The latter suggests that it already is and that it shouldn’t be.

ANYWAY

My point is that rushing in for technical advice on a bunch of points like this can pretty quickly put you at cross purposes with yourself and be counter productive. Which seems to have been borne out.

[Mick-7]

[QUOTE=pamosmusic;1457225]

First: "Thought that's what I said? - that it should be more parallel to his body. He has it tilted (but the acoustic is in a better position)."

Then: "I mean the face and back of the guitar are parallel to your body as opposed to being at an angle to it.":

The former says it should be more parallel to his body. The latter suggests that it already is and that it shouldn’t be.

ANYWAY

My point is that rushing in for technical advice on a bunch of points like this can pretty quickly put you at cross purposes with yourself and be counter productive. Which seems to have been borne out.

I don't want to beat a dead horse guitar but if you take my posts out of context, their meaning can get mangled. The posts I quoted were a continuation of my discussion with cp. He asked me what I meant by "horizontal" when I said:

But I'd say that your guitar is still not horizontal enough, still too much bend in your wrist, a strap can help you correct that.

And before that I said:

"No matter how you hold the guitar, it should be parallel to your torso, not at a right angle to it as seen in your video. It's the angle at which you held your guitar that's the problem."

[ragman1]

Hold it upside down. Trust me, it works.

You eventually think this is completely totally stupid, swivel it the right way up and you're so relieved you can play again that you stop worrying about it altogether. Infallible.

[Mick-7]

Hold it upside down. Trust me, it works.

You eventually think this is completely totally stupid, swivel it the right way up and you're so relieved you can play again that you stop worrying about it altogether. Infallible.

You are a true visionary, rm.

[charlieparker]

Up to the bridge. Kind of sloppy. I want to start using a metronome or a backing track but thought I would put it out there as I work towards the final 8 bars.

Not happy with the tone either.

[Mick-7]

Up to the bridge. Kind of sloppy. I want to start using a metronome or a backing track but thought I would put it out there as I work towards the final 8 bars.

Not happy with the tone either.

I hear an improvement. I find that a metronome or rhythm machine keeps me honest, if my timing is inconsistent, lags on certain phrases, I know I need to work on those parts. How are you recording this?