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Don’t use naughty words. AI is a PR term used by bandits.
Originally Posted by Mick-7
LLMs are a black box. So they ain’t measuring nothing.
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06-08-2025 06:47 AM
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He's right though. I was thinking the same thing, you can't escape the progress, everything will be measured, in miliseconds... Originally Posted by Christian Miller
It'll be literally no country for the old man.
My name is also Anton btw
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Don't know about DAW stuff as part of the generation of music, but it sounds to me like a dandy analytical tool for refining our understanding of what's going on with music. All those conversations about what constitutes "swing" or "in the pocket" can include data from already-existing exemplars. What was Wes really doing in this or that performance and how does it line up with audience-side responses/characterizations? How do the members of a rhythm section establish the time-feel for an ensemble? What is a bass player or drummer responding to when they push or pull the time-feel?
I find theory and measurement interesting, but they seem to me to be posterior to what our ears and eyes and such receive--good for putting something particular and concrete under our attempts to describe how and why a performance gets to us. There's an inevitable push-pull between knowing-how and knowing-that, but the heart of the art is in doing-that, whether we can put names to the various sub-thats that constitute the whole experience.
(Good god, I've become Romantic in my old age, after a lifetime of rational/systematic analysis of art. Not that I'm giving up on my descriptive vocabulary or taxonomies or historical tracking, but if it sounds good, it is good.)
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Always be sure the your guitar is louder than the click. If you are playing and hear the click...you screwed up. Listening for the click to guide you is the worst thing you can do and your precision will be far worse than what you do naturally, even if you "need to improve" your time.
I learned this the hard way.Last edited by MiniMerckx.22; 12-26-2025 at 10:03 PM.
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I was in a clinic and Mr. Martino was asked how he practiced time.
“I don’t. You breathe, you walk. Time.”
My time breathes in orbit around the subatomic vibrations.
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If you are "that far out" at all tempos, are you sure it is not a latency effect from your DAW? It does not explain the "ahead of the beat" question. Originally Posted by brent.h
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In the track-sliding experiments I did a few years ago, iirc, I found the following.
Samba groove sounded best when the bass was on the click. Somebody has to define where the center of the beat is.
The drums sounded good about 13ms ahead. I was working with a single drum track, not separate tracks for different drums. Presumably, a more detailed analysis would address kick vs snare vs hihat and so forth. For example, what is the best timing for kick and bass?
When we put the drums right on the click the track sounded, relatively speaking, lifeless.
Guitar and piano seemed to sound best with some variation around the center of the beat, but this was hard to establish.
At a finer grained level than the above, there is also the issue about exactly how to place the 16th notes in 2/4. Samba, like swing ride, is not played evenly. That is, grooving samba 16ths are not all on the click. And, the correct placement is tempo-dependent, so you can't even write it out in conventional notation.
We tried, due to a DAW error, to have the drums 50ms ahead. Everybody who heard that thought it was wrong.
My impression is that you can start to feel things somewhere around 10ms and you can clearly hear it by 20 or so (can't recall exactly).
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