Tim Miller on Rhythm Changes

[Christian Miller]

This popped up in my feed. Old solo posted on Tim Miller's YouTubez.

Transcription so far - will update

What appealed to me about it
- TM is awesome
- It's actually not that crazy fast - controlled 8th note legato. Holdsworth would be into the ultra shred by bar 3. Tim is more restrained at this non crazy tempo.
- A cool quasi 'time no changes' approach on Rhythm Changes

What I notice
- You think there's a big Allan influence, but this is less clear to me now I've actually checked it out more.
- A lot of 2 note per string cells. Quite unlike Allan.
- His stuff is not too hard to play. So again, unlike Allan.
- slurring into the beat, which of course is what everyone does, but this is in a more modern context.
- Not afraid of a bit of blues/swing vocab, which I very much appreciate. Again, quite unlike Allan.

Might look into this specific approach to jazz legato. More anon.

[Hep To The Jive]

Probably the most non swinging Rhythm Changes ever, but I kinda expected that when I saw the guitar..

[GuyBoden]

His Klein had a great sound too.

And, he uses the metronome on "4 clicks to the bar", in this video at least.

[Christian Miller]

He probably has a lesson telling you what he's doing in this soo, but where 's the fun in that? It's like playing Mario Karts on 50cc

[GuyBoden]

where 's the fun in that? It's like playing Mario Karts on 50cc

Sorry, but I had a proper Kawasaki in the 1980's.


But, I did have a Yamaha 50cc FS1E at school when I was 16. I'm lucky to be alive.

[Christian Miller]

Sorry, but I had a proper Kawasaki in the 1980's.


But, I did have a Yamaha 50cc FS1E at school when I was 16. I'm lucky to be alive.

I don't know what any of that means, but I trust no-one chucked a banana at you.

[Mick-7]

Probably the most non swinging Rhythm Changes ever, but I kinda expected that when I saw the guitar..

What a bore, rambling with no melodic development.

[Christian Miller]

Tough crowd. How many JGO members does it take to change a lightbulb?


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[Mick-7]

Tough crowd. How many JGO members does it take to change a lightbulb?

Only one, but there will be an 8 page debate re: what sort of light bulb and wattage is most appropriate and what installation technique is most efficient.
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[supersoul]

I liked it more than I expected to. It doesn't swing at all but that works with the bigger interval jumps he does. And it told a story.

His picking looks unusual, like he's plucking some of the notes with his middle finger. Chicken picking but without the twang.

[pamosmusic]

I’ll be posting an analysis of my latest Mick7 transcription shortly.

[Hep To The Jive]

Tough crowd. How many JGO members does it take to change a lightbulb?


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I'm sorry no one canceled if it don't swing it doesn't mean a thing yet. Ok fine, fusion is legit, but if you do a vegan version of Allan Holdsworth where is the excitment?

[Mick-7]

I liked it more than I expected to. It doesn't swing at all but that works with the bigger interval jumps he does. And it told a story.

What was the story? Maybe I've gotten lost in the woods and don't know how to get home?

[Christian Miller]

I'm sorry no one canceled if it don't swing it doesn't mean a thing yet. Ok fine, fusion is legit, but if you do a vegan version of Allan Holdsworth where is the excitment?

Idk, I like the way it sounds

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[Christian Miller]

I liked it more than I expected to. It doesn't swing at all but that works with the bigger interval jumps he does. And it told a story.

His picking looks unusual, like he's plucking some of the notes with his middle finger. Chicken picking but without the twang.

He needs to work on his jazz face, though. Too much grimacing.

I think he uses hybrid picking when going across the strings


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[GuyBoden]

I've always liked his 'Electric' track:

[tribalfusion]

Great player and tune.

This forum on the other hand...

[supersoul]

What was the story? Maybe I've gotten lost in the woods and don't know how to get home?

I know you said it didn't have melodic development. To me, his material isn't about traditional melody, but rather patterns with larger intervals, and I hear him working thru those ideas, circling back, developing the ideas further, etc. One adjective might be that his material is "angular."

It's not just a bunch of random things thrown together; he builds on ideas he played previously. So it has a linear flow, which I think of as telling a story. There's an arc, an overall structure. That's how I heard it, at least.

[Christian Miller]

I know you said it didn't have melodic development. To me, his material isn't about traditional melody, but rather patterns with larger intervals, and I hear him working thru those ideas, circling back, developing the ideas further, etc. One adjective might be that his material is "angular."

It's not just a bunch of random things thrown together; he builds on ideas he played previously. So it has a linear flow, which I think of as telling a story. There's an arc, an overall structure. That's how I heard it, at least.

Me too


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[djg]

i'm usually not a fan of legato technique for staight ahead jazz but he seems to be able to pull it off

[Christian Miller]

i'm usually not a fan of legato technique for staight ahead jazz but he seems to be able to pull it off

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Lots to learn...

[Mick-7]

I know you said it didn't have melodic development. To me, his material isn't about traditional melody, but rather patterns with larger intervals, and I hear him working thru those ideas, circling back, developing the ideas further, etc. One adjective might be that his material is "angular."

The part that Christian transcribed had no large interval jumps but lots of chromaticism. I admit I didn't listen to his entire solo because, as I said, it bored me.

[charlieparker]

Honestly, I am not so sure how different Miller's stuff is from some of Coltrane's sheets of sound. Every melody doesn't have to be singable. There is an aesthetic to what Holdsworth, Coltrane, and Miller do.

That said, I don't think this was Miller's best work or on the level of the other two players. But, I was still blown away even though I didn't think this tune was the best vehicle for his style.

[GuyBoden]

I remember "Tim Miller" saying that he talked to "Allan Holdsworth" quite a bit on the Phone.

In my humble but very biased opinion, "Allan Holdsworth" was the original creative master of this sort of guitar style, a truly original musician.

[Christian Miller]

I don’t think Tim plays much like Holdsworth

The guitar sound is similar

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