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aww. i worked all day on that one. but i'll let it slide.
Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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05-01-2026 06:55 PM
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Yes, he sounds like Holdsworth, which not an easy thing to do. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I listen, I don't analyse his playing technique.
Listen to his chords and the sound on this track. (Another fav of mine)
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Listening happens at many levels. Transcription/analysis is simply deep listening. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Yeah there’s an influence, obviously. Definitely a sonic one. But that’s quite a superficial aspect.
But, I don’t think I have heard Allan play medium-up 8ths all the way through a solo like this for a start. Or build an extended jazz narrative solo of this length. Even live (I saw him twice) his solos tended to quite short. (I mean he probably played the same number of notes haha.)
I think of 16 Men of Tain as one of his longest and most discursive. He plays some swing 8ths there, but he’s also shredding the bejeezus out of it with loads of triplets and 16ths, which Tim doesn’t really do here.
That’s without getting into the construction of his lines which are again strikingly different. Even the technique is kind of different.
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GROAN Originally Posted by djg
and also
Woosh
You really need to hammer it home a bit more for me.
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It reminds me of certain Allan Holdsworth's compositions, chord voicings and time. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
All good.
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But of course, it instantly reminds of Allan Holdworth, a lot! Saying that he plays wide intervals or something that AH didn't, doesn't really take it away from the fact. But at least AH had a very unique style that didn't fit standard jazz, but if you play with a rhythm section that tries to swing and this cat doesn't swing at all, why would I care about his lines that much? I see it's mentioned that it's not his best moment, and I'm sure he has some wonderful music, which is prolly not my cuppa tea anyway, I just saw Rhythm Changes and I had to check. And btw I listened to the end, and only in the end I could tell, oh yea, it is indeed Rhythm Changes! Originally Posted by GuyBoden
It reminds me of certain Allan Holdsworth's compositions, chord voicings and time.
All good.
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Not sure I’d admit that one after dunking on the dude’s playing so hard. Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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I agree, because whatever your specific fav genre, any fellow guitarist must see and hear that Tim Miller's playing is exceptional. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Yeah, Tim is a phenomenal player and teacher.
One of his big things is what he calls 2-1-2 arpeggios -- which may or may not be "true" arpeggios. They're lines that alternate between 2 notes per string and 1 note per string. He said he got it from a Metheny interview, but he has probably taken the idea and run with it more than anyone else out there. It is a nice compromise between playability and speed, and the sound is very different than straight sweeping.
His sound has also changed quite a bit over the years. In his first record (with George Garzone), it's a pretty standard overdriven sound. Later, he experimented with mixing the signal from a condenser mic, to capture some of the nuances of touch, mixed with his amp sound. I think it's something different now.
I definitely hear the Holdsworth influence, but I wouldn't call him a "Holdsworth guy." I don't actually hear a lot of jazz in Holdsworth's playing; it's sort of his own thing. There is a lot of jazz in Tim's playing.
He is also a super nice guy, and I can recommend anyone interested in modern jazz to either check out his online school or hit him up for Zoom lessons.
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This is quite an old solo BTW
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An accomplished guitarist for sure. If he wasn't wouldn't be worth talking, and what I pointed out is not like he's trying and failed, it's the concept. He has his thing going and I'm all for it, but Rhythm Changes is like Blues, a traditional form and maybe you'd have a different expectation what it should sound, or more importantly feel like? I guess it's just me. No swing, I'm out. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Interestingly lately I observe there are some young guitarists, some are really good, some not so much, who play those kind of headless weird shaped guitars, with this exact sound and similar lines, sort of fusion style, but not old school... Is it a thing or? I'm talking the local scenes, not necessarily youtubes or social media.
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Updated - first two choruses, and I worked out where the one is lol.
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Just keep trying to hammer it home ... Originally Posted by djg
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Oi, I already did that one Originally Posted by John A.
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Don't fret. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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or cast slurs on his playing. Originally Posted by John A.
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I wouldn't pick on him Originally Posted by grahambop
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The opening chords and the tone sound like something Jonny Greenwood would suggest to Thom Yorke for a new tune. Reminds me of Pyramid Song or something.
It's videos like this bring out the gear-FOMO in me! (I play straight to amp and bone dry.) The tone is so powerful and sax like.
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Yeah it is! I think Tim has used a few different rigs over the years and his sound has remained consistent. It’s probably about knowing how to dail it in, and of course the way he plays. Originally Posted by brent.h
These days he uses Fractal gear I believe
The head is just major thirds moving up and down by steps and half steps btw
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