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Last edited by kris; 05-20-2025 at 11:02 AM.
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05-20-2025 09:03 AM
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Use of silence when playing.
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Nothing at all from Miles Davis! I've listened to him since the late sixties. Can't stand him!! He did nothing for me at all zzzzz!
Just my personal opinion of course
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Can you tell me when you last went to the ENT specialist?
Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
Nothing at all from Miles Davis! I've listened to him since the late sixties. Can't stand him!! He did nothing for me at all zzzzz! Just my personal opinion of course
It is my personal opinion.
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What is ENT ? Originally Posted by kris
Can you tell me when you last went to the ENT specialist?
It is my personal opinion.
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The Ear Nose and Throat doctor. Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
My guy thinks you can't hear.
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What I learned from Miles Davis? I don't know -- probably the stuff everyone keeps saying about silence and space.
But I will say that the second quintet, once Shorter joined, is probably my favorite music ever.
So that's In Berlin, Plugged Nickel, ESP, Miles Smiles, Sorcerer, and Nefertiti
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Don't know really. I love his music though, hardly a day goes by without listening to something under his name, and it's always in my head.
Lately I've been listening to the complete Plugged Nickel recordings.
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Indeed. Personally I would extend this - he didn't put a foot wrong in the years c. 1965 - c. 1971, IMO. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Learn to phrase lyrically. This is not something that was even a possibility until I stopped thinking of changes as the reason to play notes. He showed me that there's an art to making a line sing, and every player needs to find that resonance themselves.
Music can be learned but it can't be taught.
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Yeah Kilimanjaro and on through that period is maybe his most innovative stuff since Kind of Blue? Just not my cup of tea in terms of listening for pleasure. Though I often end up there by virtue of just keeping on keeping on after I’ve been listening to the other stuff so much Originally Posted by James W
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So you think there's something wrong with my hearing because I don't like Davis??? You obviously think he was something special, I don't- It's called personal taste= live with it!! without the insults if you don't mind, I'd appreciate it- thanks. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Underestimating a jazz icon is probably very risky. Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
So you think there's something wrong with my hearing because I don't like Davis??? You obviously think he was something special, I don't- It's called personal taste= live with it!! without the insults if you don't mind, I'd appreciate it- thanks.
I have all the CDs recorded by MD.
I attended a Miles concert in 1983 and under his influence I became a professional jazz musician.
It was a magical evening.
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Plugged Nickel is peak jazz. Originally Posted by James W
It's also interesting because I would say "space silence etc" when I think about Miles, but that period is maybe his most chaotic and noisy?
He's still sparse and lyrical by the standards of most, but it's interesting.
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In what way? Originally Posted by kris
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In Miles case you probably just miss a whole through line of the music. Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
He was a key innovator in pretty much Major trend in the music …
bebop
cool
modal
fusion
and the things he wasn’t spearheading, he sort of defined.
e.g. Ornette was the free jazz dude, and Miles was riding coattails, but Coltrane in his classic quartet and Miles in the second quintet really defined what free jazz would look like in the musics mainstream. Miles called the second quintet approach “time no changes” improvising, for example, which has been enormously influential.
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To you he obviously was. To me he was not! Don't sound so surprised & shocked that someone feels differently to you about something. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
You love MD. He's been a major influence in your life. Great, enjoy & have fun.
Peace.
DC...
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Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
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His 1940's recordings with Charlie Parker are not good trumpet playing, but, I've liked a lot of his music since I first heard it in the 1970's.
The albums 'Cookin', 'Relakin', 'Steamin' and 'Workin' era are a great band.
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Due respect, but it's not a "to me" thing ... Originally Posted by DC Cornelius
We don't really get to ignore the influence that Kind of Blue had on literally every jazz (and rock) musician who came after. We also don't get to ignore the enormous influence that Miles was on John Coltrane, on Bill Evans, on Wayne Shorter, on Herbie Hancock, Keith Jarrett, Chick Corea, and all the others who came through his bands -- and the enormous influence that those guys had on everything around them.
Pretty much anything you play in the blues, jazz, funk, fusion sphere is barely two degrees of separation from Miles.
You don't have to enjoy his music for that to be true. And it is.
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fair enough Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Stop playing the butter notes.
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corollary thread: What You Didn’t Learn From Miles Davis. Originally Posted by lammie200
First Post: “what is a butter note.”
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If you don't think that Miles was a key innovator then who do you personally think was a key innovator in jazz?
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Yeah, for sure he could get pretty raucous, fast and intense if he wanted to. TBH as far as trumpeters go, I listen to Miles so much more than others, I should probably listen a bit more to others just to put him in perspective. But I also love the early fusion records, each one is really exploratory and unique in its way. If I listen to Miles it is just as much for the concept or mood he conveys on a record as it is his actual playing. I personally think Bitches Brew is if not *the* then *a* high point of any kind of culture. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
I was told some time ago on this forum that he's a bit drunk on some of the Plugged Nickel recordings... probably one of those 'despite/because of' situations... But yeah, absolutely love these recordings.
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