Wynton Marsalis on the importance of aggressive inspiration in education ...

[Spook410]

You're going to have to practice the jazz and pursue music theory on your own at some point. Then you have provide products (youtube, performance,teach) people are willing to buy. The government pays for an education system to help and that system is heavily subsidized (thank you teachers unions and the Dem's) so you do get more than plumbers and electricians at the outset. But it takes rather a lot past that to make a living and you are on your own. As it should be.

[ruger9]

Cult has several definitions. Christianity fits one. Not the evil scary one.

The trans community doesn't fit any definition of cult. So who's right and who's wrong is pretty clear.

re: right v wrong, you missed the end of my post: in your OPINION.

Cult could be defined as believing in something that isn't true, yes?
You know what is clear? Chromosomes. Crystal clear. You can pretend to be anything you want, but that doesn't change what you are. Neither do operations. Operations can't change your chromosomes.

But, interestingly, even tho I believe these operations to be butchery almost all of the time, I believe any ADULT has the right to do it to THEMSELVES, if they so choose. You'll note I'm real big on individual liberty. So long as you aren't harming someone else, have at it.

[Jazzjourney4Eva]

Rich white people, actually most white people, aren't into black music which is what jazz and blues mostly is.

This simply isn't true. It's just that they like styles other then jazz and blues. :0

[ruger9]

Rich white people, actually most white people, aren't into black music which is what jazz and blues mostly is.

Mostly was, in the beginnings. But I don't think this applies anymore.

[Christian Miller]

Couldn’t resist posting this old meme…

#116 Black Music that Black People Don’t Listen to Anymore | Stuff White People Like

[DawgBone]

This simply isn't true. It's just that they like styles other then jazz and blues. :0

Correct. White styles of music i.e not jazz or blues.

[DawgBone]

Mostly was, in the beginnings. But I don't think this applies anymore.

You're dreaming.

[DawgBone]

Couldn’t resist posting this old meme…

#116 Black Music that Black People Don’t Listen to Anymore | Stuff White People Like

You've never been down south.

[Tal_175]

Morally wrong? No. It's also not illegal, nor should it be.

I, personally, do think it's morally wrong to discriminate based on race or religion.

However, once you start legislating morality, we are back to the sticky wicket of WHO'S morality. For example, I think it's morally wrong to expose children to LGBTetc. drag queens under the guise of "storytelling" at the local library. It's legal, tho. I'm sure there are some who think it's morally RIGHT to do such a thing. So who is correct? Who is the group making legislation out of their feelings? My point being, legislating morality is a dangerous game... interestingly, the Founding Fathers tried to do that to a degree, in pointing out in many papers and letters (and even the Founding Documents themselves) that "God"/"Creator" had a hand in the creation of this country. There are many people who think that was a "morally wrong" thing. So now what? They scream "separation of church and state!" yet have no problem with the UN-separation of other "cults" such as the trans community. And I mean do disrespect when I say "cults", I am only pointing out that to one group, Christianty is a cult, while to the other group, trans is a cult. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who's to say?

Which leads us back to THE square one: it's all OPINION, which gives neither group the moral high ground, logically.

I've never said anything about legally codifying morality. You can only codify so much. For the rest, you have to rely on personal responsibility and societal enforcement mechanisms.

I was talking about twitter policies. Many conservatives have had thriving twitter accounts. Twitter didn't automatically devoice them. Twitter was a huge part of the Trump campaign. But twitter can set certain boundaries based on their business model.

Even under Mr. Free Speech Absolutist, Alex Jones was never invited back, Marjorie Greene's account was suspended recently, Kari Lake's tweets have been removed. These made headlines, people posted on his account, Kari Lake denounced him, yet Elon Musk maintained these decisions.

To the extent that anyone can make sense of why Elon does what he does (including himself), we can say that it was easier for him to shout "Free speech" from the sidelines and declare himself a "free speech absolutist" before he was running the company. In real life, a social media company can't survive without some moderation.

[Christian Miller]

You've never been down south.

what, to Southampton?

[DawgBone]

what, to Southampton?

I don't believe that's in Mississippi.

[Christian Miller]

I don't believe that's in Mississippi.

No, it’s in Louisiana ….

[ruger9]

In real life, a social media company can't survive without moderation.

That may well be true, I certainly find it true of online forums. The best ones are the ones that are -FAIRLY- moderated, and the worst are those that are not at all moderated. Smaller = easier, of course.

[DawgBone]

I've never said anything about legally codifying morality. You can only codify so much. For the rest, you have to rely on personal responsibility and societal enforcement mechanisms.

I was talking about twitter policies. Many conservatives have had thriving twitter accounts. Twitter didn't automatically devoiced conservatives. Twitter was a huge part of the Trump campaign. But twitter can set certain boundaries based on their business model.

Even under Mr. Free Speech Absolutist, Alex Jones was never invited back, Marjorie Greene's account was suspended recently, Kari Lake's tweets have been removed. These made headlines, people posted on his account, Kari Lake denounced him, yet Elon Musk maintained these decisions.

To the extent that anyone can make sense of why Elon does what he does (including himself), we can say that it was easier for him to shout "Free speech" on the sidelines and declare himself a "free speech absolutist" before he was running the company.

I do find it funny that conservatives have made him an icon lately. That guy is a total shyster who's fortune is all tied to big government easy giveaway money ala amazon style gov sweetheart deals . He's literally turned out a few piece of shit cars and that's it. His tesla truck is a non starter along with his solar roof, and his junk internet geeks up my nighttime sky. People on both sides are so easily played these days with a few well designed villains and heroes. Too much damn media.

[Christian Miller]

No, it's not. Blues rock isn't even blues.

this I 100% agree with. It was invented in London by hairy (mostly white) men.

[James W]

Well the BS has a tangible effect on funding among other things. As David Byrne points out, the opera and ballet are recipients of more private philanthropy than, jazz clubs, say. Why do you think that is?

Yes, I dislike philanthropy and charity too (notwithstanding, that, for example certain philanthropists like Paul Sacher had some importance with work of some important 20th century composers...) - you make this observation without mention of the social context in which it takes place, i.e. neoliberal capitalism. I don't want these decisions left to the whims of the very wealthy, I'd much rather tax them and invest/redistribute that way.

I don’t really see what this has to do with capitalism tbh. The Soviet Union for instance, held classical music in the same sort of importance.

I struggle to see what point you're making here. You criticised the idea of opera receiving lots of philanthropy, which is an obvious case of capitalism in action, then seemingly deny that this has anything to do with capitalism by pointing out that The Soviet Union (whose brand of socialism, I should point out, is not my own) regarded classical music as having importance. Do you not like the idea of classical music getting funding from the state or private philanthropy?

Here's a good article, incidentally:

Simon Rattle is right: Britain is becoming a cultural desert – and that’s a political choice | Martin Kettle | The Guardian

[DawgBone]

No, it’s in Louisiana ….

Can you get cracklins there? If so are they as good as the cracklins in lafayette?

[ruger9]

You're dreaming.

Even the big band era was predominately WHITE, both the musicians and the listeners. The white swing musicians went to black clubs to learn from those players, but big band swing was always white white white. A few inroads thanks to people like Benny Goodman (Charlie Christian and Lionel Hampton) and Count Basie and Duke Ellington of course.

[Christian Miller]

I do find it funny that conservatives have made him an icon lately. That guy is a total shyster whose fortune is all tied to big government easy giveaway money ala amazon style gov sweetheart deals . He's literally turned out a few piece of shit cars and that's it. His tesla truck is a non starter along with his solar roof, and his junk internet geeks up my nighttime sky. People on both sides are so easily played these days with a few well designed villains and heroes. Too much damn media.

No disagreement there…

I did enjoy the starship launch the other day.

do you suppose there’s someone on his team who may have pointed out that building a trench for the exhaust might have been a good idea?

yes of course there were, space X is full of old NASA people apparently. ‘Don’t rock the boat.’ It’s a gravy train… dream job for some I guess…

i liked the bit where it twirled around for a bit and the commentators weren’t quite sure what to say.

But then, it’s not my money.

[ruger9]

Yes, I dislike philanthropy and charity too (notwithstanding, that, for example certain philanthropists like Paul Sacher had some importance with work of some important 20th century composers...) - you make this observation without mention of the social context in which it takes place, i.e. neoliberal capitalism. I don't want these decisions left to the whims of the very wealthy, I'd much rather tax them and invest/redistribute that way.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. One does not need to be rich to be charitable. Ask me how I know LOL. And to "dislike charity"- for ANY STANCE- well, I'm sorry again, but that's just nonsensical. I'm not sure you're thinking straight.

OR... you are thinking exactly the way you have been taught to think by your progressive professors, perhaps. Either way, disliking charity is borderline evil... do you have Wormwood on your shoulder?

[ruger9]

But then, it’s not my money.

haha and therein lies the rub.

Again- being able to decide what YOUR INDIVIDUAL tax money funds would be wonderful... and I think it would be very telling, what got funded and what didn't...

I love the "space race" stuff, always have. But at this point, perhaps we should stop spending billions of dollars trying to "colonize mars" and instead spend the money down here where it's actually needed? Just an idea...LOL

[DawgBone]

Even the big band era was predominately WHITE, both the musicians and the listeners. The white swing musicians went to black clubs to learn from those players, but big band swing was always white white white. A few inroads thanks to people like Benny Goodman (Charlie Christian and Lionel Hampton) and Count Basie and Duke Ellington of course.

Of course swing bands were mostly white. How you gonna put a )dozen brothers up for the night at a hotel on tour in the 30s 40s 50s. Who is footing the bill for those big bands? White people.

I would bet that most white guys posting here have their favorite jazz artists that are also generally white. Birds of a feather flock together, it's just a fact of life. White people like white music and black people like black music. Occassionally you find someone that crosses that boundary line among the general public. More common now, less common then.

If it's not mostly black music then what were those dudes doing going to black clubs to learn techniques? White people play a lot of basketball too but there aren't that many in the NBA. It's simillar to jazz in that regard the way I see it. Brought to fruition by blacks, brought to a bigger market by white. Its a symbiotic relationship but the core of it is blues which is black music. I had to disagree with you on something eventually lol

[jameslovestal]

No, because on principle I am against it in both instances. The actions can not be deemed "right" or "wrong" based on who does them; the actions themselves hold "right" and "wrong" regardless of who perpetrates it.

I notice you like to use the phrase "false equivalence" alot... likely because you think that trumps everything and shuts down a debate; it does not; it only shows that you know a clever debate tactic.

I agree with Tal_175 that in this case you appear to being applying a false equivalence: The actions can be deemed "right or wrong" based on what type of entity does them; Private party or government. Another example would be use-of-force: such use-of-force can only be deemed "right or wrong" based on what type of entity used said use-of-force: E.g., a police officer or an everyday Joe.

[DawgBone]

No disagreement there…

I did enjoy the starship launch the other day.

do you suppose there’s someone on his team who may have pointed out that building a trench for the exhaust might have been a good idea?

yes of course there were, space X is full of old NASA people apparently. ‘Don’t rock the boat.’ It’s a gravy train… dream job for some I guess…

i liked the bit where it twirled around for a bit and the commentators weren’t quite sure what to say.

But then, it’s not my money.

I don't believe in space travel, moon landings, or satellites. Musk is a fraud getting big government money just like Amazon will go full sears once he doesn't have the usps sweetheart deal one day. Pyramid schemes.


I just would like to know who is gonna shoot the Mars landing, Spielberg or lucas?

[jameslovestal]

. Birds of a feather flock together, it's just a fact of life.

Mankind should be more intelligent than birds. I'm a half-breed (50% spilt) and thus my "fact of life" paradigm if typically different than those that believe they have to "flock together".