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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    Jazz giants also often play it in Bb/Peterson,Coltrane/.
    Pat Martino played in F:
    For anyone who is interested here is a link to a transcription of the "Just Friends" by Pat Martino
    https://cdn.neffmusic.com/2022/JustF...tMartino-C.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBoden
    For anyone who is interested here is a link to a transcription of the "Just Friends" by Pat Martino
    https://cdn.neffmusic.com/2022/JustF...tMartino-C.pdf
    I think every guitarist I know has learnt this one at some point

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    I have an unhealthy attachment to "Have You Met Miss Jones" so thought I'd try it for this thread. It's easy enough to make you nap a little and then the bridge bites you in the behind.


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    I'm going to contribute a new one here. Still working on "These Foolish Things". Okay, so I played a couple of chords, just a few though.
    From my Google Drive:
    These Foolish Things 3_mixdown.wav - Google Drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Now you're talking! WHAT FLAVOR?
    Yummy..lets see..sweet sausage & peppers and mushrooms...

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    This thread is in the 'Getting Started' subforum so this tune seemed appropriate. It's another example of the chord tone counterpoint I spoke of earlier, however I was playing my Tele so I just had to use open strings and.... Beware of Twang!

    I Can't Get Started with You, take 1 - Box.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarvegas
    I'm going to contribute a new one here. Still working on "These Foolish Things". Okay, so I played a couple of chords, just a few though.
    From my Google Drive:
    These Foolish Things 3_mixdown.wav - Google Drive
    gv, I'd suggest you slow down, listen more intently, play less, leave more space - think "Miles Davis." And your timing needs work, you're out of of sync with your backing track, which can be annoying. But keep on keepin' on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    gv, I'd suggest you slow down, listen more intently, play less, leave more space - think "Miles Davis." And your timing needs work, you're out of of sync with your backing track, which can be annoying. But keep on keepin' on.
    Ok, but I think I have made big progress with this track today. It's coming a "long way" since last week even. But I will continue to work on this. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarvegas
    Ok, but I think I have made big progress with this track today. It's coming a "long way" since last week even. But I will continue to work on this. Thanks.
    I'll have to listen to your previous takes, but I'd rather hear you without a backing track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bediles
    I think every guitarist I know has learnt this one at some point
    This is true. Even Jesse van Ruller, who is not a fan of transcribing guitar solos, has practiced this solo.I read about it somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    gv, I'd suggest you slow down, listen more intently, play less, leave more space - think "Miles Davis." And your timing needs work, you're out of of sync with your backing track, which can be annoying. But keep on keepin' on.
    Yes.
    Besides, this thread is about melody, not improvisation.
    If you already play with a backing track, in my opinion, don't overdo it with "cosmic" reverb.
    This blurs timing and rhythmic accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolflen
    Yummy..lets see..sweet sausage & peppers and mushrooms...
    Funny, that's exactly what I had tonight. Bought, not made. With roquito peppers :-)

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    I'm not hearing the more experienced players here experimenting with their phrasing (with one or two exceptions), which I thought was one of the main points of this thread. I don't expect it from beginners whose first objective is to play the right notes but as I see it, the more advanced players have no excuse for playing a plain jane (and frankly boring) take on the melody - at least if you're spending any time on it, e.g., the 30 minutes that Mr. B suggested should be more than enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    I'm not hearing the more experienced players here experimenting with their phrasing (with one or two exceptions), which I thought was one of the main points of this thread. I don't expect it from beginners whose first objective is to play the right notes but as I see it, the more advanced players have no excuse for playing a plain jane (and frankly boring) take on the melody - at least if you're spending any time on it, e.g., the 30 minutes that Mr. B suggested should be more than enough.
    What do you mean by that?

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    I’m treating the 30 minutes as time to get it truly correct. I have all the time in the world to improvise, that’s the fun bit and the part I think I can practice less of. noodling

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    What do you mean by that?
    He wants us to improvise on the “just play the melody thread”

    The real question is, Why is this thread so hard for people to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    What do you mean by that?
    I would think it is obvious: phrasing is one of the main distinguishing features of a musician, not just what notes they play or sing but the way in which they play them. But I will upload an example of me gently torturing the melody of Misty.

    Quote Originally Posted by AllanAllen
    He wants us to improvise on the “just play the melody thread”
    Not at all. I can play a set of notes in many different ways: bends, slurs, trills, with varied dynamics - softer, louder, muted, etc. And that's not even counting rhythmic variation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    I would think it is obvious: phrasing is one of the main distinguishing features of a musician, not just what notes they play or sing but the way in which they play them.

    But I will upload an example of me gently torturing the melody of Misty.
    Well yeah I know what phrasing a melody is but it’s hard to know what’s wrong when you’re not referencing anything in particular.

    It had a bit of a Teacher Looks Over Glasses and Says You Know Who You Are vibe.

    I think i was phrasing the melody but who knows. Putting more spin on it and another person might say I was altering it beyond recognition.

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    The reply I just added to Allan's remark should clarify what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    The reply I just added to Allan's remark should clarify what I meant.
    Again … I do know what phrasing a melody is.

    It just read as a little passive aggressive honestly.

    “You're doing it wrong and SOME OF YOU should know better.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    Again … I do know what phrasing a melody is.

    It just read as a little passive aggressive honestly.

    “You're doing it wrong and SOME OF YOU should know better.”
    As I said, I'll upload an example of what I'm talking about. And I'll go back and listen to everyone's takes, didn't hear them all, my first impressions may have been off.

    P.S. - I was thinking when I made the comment that you (Peter) and Mr. B are probably the exceptions to the rule, and you were, and there were others too. However, over-all I didn't hear much personal interpretation of the melodies, they were generally played rather straight (hard to tell about Allan's phrasing because he doesn't plug his guitar in). Phrasing is something I'm focusing on now so I may be myopic about it.
    Last edited by Mick-7; 01-12-2025 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    As I said, I'll upload an example of what I'm talking about. And I'll go back and listen to everyone's takes, didn't hear them all, my first impressions may have been off.

    P.S. - I was thinking when I made the comment that you (Peter) and Mr. B are probably the exceptions to the rule, and you were, and there were others too. However, over-all I didn't hear much personal interpretation of the melodies, they were generally played rather straight (hard to tell about Allan's phrasing because he doesn't plug his guitar in). Phrasing is something I'm focusing on now so I may be myopic about it.
    Well there’s only like … seven people posting melodies on here.

    In general, making assumptions about where people are in their musical journey and judgements about what they should be doing while they’re there is going come off a little weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick-7
    Phrasing is something I'm focusing on now so I may be myopic about it.
    Sounds great. I look forward to hearing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    Well there’s only like … seven people posting melodies on here.

    In general, making assumptions about where people are in their musical journey and judgements about what they should be doing while they’re there is going to come off a little weird.
    I understand, I wasn't suggesting that folks here need to work on their phrasing, but if they want to, melodies are a great vehicle for doing so. I think I'm just emphasizing something that Mr. B said in his first post - quoted below.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    The idea is very simple, just play the melody to a tune. Single notes only. Phrase it your way. The big stipulation? Honor system time - you need to play the melody for a half hour before you can record.

    Why? The 'zations. Memorization, internalization, personalization. And anything else you think it could be good for.