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Gosh (looks down shuffles feet). Where should I send the check?
Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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02-24-2025 12:05 PM
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I've been working on Joy Spring lately too, and I think position shifting is essential, if you want to phrase it as Mr. Brown and Mr. Land did originally. Those trills only sound good when they're on one string, as a hammer-on/pull-off. Of course you can pick it as a triplet on adjacent strings, but I can never get it to sound as good.
Originally Posted by John A.
Now I have to back this up with a video!
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Agreed, and the way I play this is in part so that I can play the trills. I'm working on another tune right now that has a lot trills (by another trumpeter, as it happens, but no spoilers!) that I can do with a lot fewer position shifts. But that leaves me having to do the trills with my pinky and ring finger, which doesn't really work. A shifting I will go, hi-ho the derry-o ...
Originally Posted by supersoul
Last edited by John A.; 02-24-2025 at 07:00 PM.
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Oh, well, while Jeff works on his hiccups song and John gets his trills together, I sat down in the middle of the night and noodled some blues. At least, I think it's blues.
It's called Background Blues because it's ideal for doing lots more interesting things while it rambles on
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Got through without the hiccups.
Pretty boppy for Ornette. Fun stuff.
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You found another song that sounds perfectly fine without chords or backing track, I seem to have run out of them (that aren't bop tunes).
I did hear the hiccups (kid's noise) right at the end... good timing.
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Outstanding :-)
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Open your mind, Mick.
Originally Posted by Mick-7
Its a wide world out there
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I suppose there's a whole world of Ornette and Trane melodies with no chordal instrument to play with...
Originally Posted by Mick-7
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here’s a good place to start
Originally Posted by Mick-7
Gerry Mulligan Quartet Volume 1 - Wikipedia
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Georgia's a tune I've always liked and I don't think it's been aired here for years. Maybe on Practical Standards a long time ago. This one's long but complete. I don't want to put it in Showcase because it'll just get lost.
Feel free to terminate at any point after the head :-)
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Here's my shot at "My Secret Love." the Aebersold backing track uses a really tricky (to me) rhythmic figure in the intro and behind the A sections, and I've had to work hard to avoid just losing it. As it is, I'm still not in the pocket, but this thread is about learning so, I'm learning! This tune is begging for a chord-melodic style, but I've tried my best to go one note at a time.
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So, is this likely to get me evicted from this melody only thread?

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My alibi is that the chords are mostly harmonic filler for sections where the melody is static - plus open strings don't count, right?
Besides, I'm pretty sure that playing a Bill Evans ballad without chords is not jazz legal, the jazz police would probably fine me for that.
I'll record this again anyway when I get my new audio equipment up and running, this was recorded with my old Zoom recorder.
P.S. - Actually, to my ears, my telecaster tone sounds good in this track, I'll have to make a note of my amp settings. I did discover that my Yamaha behemoth 2x12 amp is the only one that produces good direct output recordings with the Zoom unit. Thanks again to Al Haig and others for alerting me to fact that I'd need to unplug the speaker cable to achieve that. It's not something that would have occurred to me but it makes sense when you think about it: the audio signal is divided when both the speaker and direct output circuits are active.Last edited by Mick-7; 02-27-2025 at 01:00 PM.
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^ Ur evicted!
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That sounds great, and look Ma, no chords! Or are we cheating by saying that arpeggios are not chords? I suspect we are, but if you do it well, no one will report you to the Jazz Police.
Originally Posted by Al Haig
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Thx! You're right, to follow the rulez I should have been throwing in Milt Jackson single note embellishments rather than arpeggio chordal textures. I'll get it together for next time.
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If the notes are played simultaneously they are a chord; if not, they are a run or line, which is fine. Otherwise, single-note embellishment would have to avoid chord tones, which is crazy. I'd suggest using a guitar next time though.
Originally Posted by Al Haig
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Joy Spring, an octave lower to stay out of John's way.
I've been trying out the different color ceiling lights in my space. Tonight was green.
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Yeah man, just stay out of my way, and there won't be any trouble. Now if I can only stay out of my own way ...
Originally Posted by supersoul
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Oh hey … I think you forgot your pick?
Originally Posted by supersoul
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Green is a very spring color.
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A stray thought on a way to work on pocket issues. I've done this, although only a bit.
Set up the usual way of playing along with a backing track.
But, also, feed the backing track into Reaper (or equivalent) and, separately, feed the guitar track into a second Reaper channel. Maybe raise the volume of the bass and drums and lower the keys.
At that point you can see the bass notes and you can see where your solo is in relation. I think you can set it up so you can watch it as you play, adjust your solo so it's right on the beat, and try to internalize that feel.
All that said, probably the most helpful thing I found to get into the pocket (an asymptotic process) is making sure I've got the tune under my fingers. That ability and one's confidence in it mean that you don't need to wait to hear the beat, thereby introducing enough milliseconds of delay to sound behind.
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I realize now what I said sounded harsh. I didn't mean it that way, it was one of those quips that just sort of came out, felt funny at the time, but now I see wasn't funny at all. I'm sorry, and I hope I wasn't inhospitable.
Originally Posted by Al Haig
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It's on the floor somewhere but he'll never find it in that light.
Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Apparently red would be more effective for helping you recall what you play, but if it's a difficult piece, green may help you feel more relaxed while playing it.
Originally Posted by supersoul
One minute of blue, green or red-light exposure modifies the functional connectivity of neural networks



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