George Benson teacher attacking other teacher calling him idiot, a-hole and loser

[Christian Miller]

I'm saying that in order to take someone's playing advice seriously.

What I find absolutely hilarious is it turns out that in YouTube world people don't like it when you put a clip of your playing before a lesson.

I cannot get my head around the idea that anyone would watch a guitar tutorial without hearing the teacher's playing first.

[GuyBoden]

Over the years, I've seen very good players give very good advice on this forum, but it gets ignored or mis-understood by the recipient.

Maybe, a Jazz guitar teacher is a better route to improvement, not a Jazz guitar forum.

[Strat-itis]

That's not what I meant. I usually feel disincentivised to post playing here for other reasons. I'm more likely to post to Instagram or sometimes Facebook. I'm not unusual among JGO members in that sense. "Dutchbopper" for example, now posts exclusively to other platforms.

I do my best and try to make it a supportive and helpful place for those who do post.

You mean from the pro perspective.

[Christian Miller]

You mean from the pro perspective.

I don't like the pro/amateur distinction, because while pros tend to be better players than amateurs, it's really more complex than that.

I mean DB for example, isn't a pro AFAIK, but he's a very good player with a developed sense of what he wants to do and how to do it. He's not learning how to put it together at this stage.

[lawson-stone]

That's not what I meant. I usually feel disincentivised to post playing here for other reasons. I'm more likely to post to Instagram or sometimes Facebook. I'm not unusual among JGO members in that sense. "Dutchbopper" for example, now posts exclusively to other platforms.

I do my best and try to make it a supportive and helpful place for those who do post.

At this latter thing, you are quite successful. I consider the things I've learned from you to be among the most valuable aspects of being on this forum. I don't always post a reply or engage, but I always watch and listen, and I always learn something.

[Christian Miller]

At this latter thing, you are quite successful. I consider the things I've learned from you to be among the most valuable aspects of being on this forum. I don't always post a reply or engage, but I always watch and listen, and I always learn something.

Thanks, Lawson

[lawson-stone]

I don't like the pro/amateur distinction, because while pros tend to be better players than amateurs, it's really more complex than that.

I mean DB for example, isn't a pro AFAIK, but he's a very good player with a developed sense of what he wants to do and how to do it. He's not learning how to put it together at this stage.

I deeply miss Dutchbopper's presence. The guy could really play.
I tend to think the difference between pro-level and amateur is that the pro-level player can deliver it every night. They are consistent at a certain level of excellence. We amateurs have our moments, maybe even sometimes playing something really inspired, but then it slips away. We're uneven in our level of performance. I think of professionalism in any endeavor is a certain level of excellence that is delivered pretty much every single performance.

[arnie65]

I deeply miss Dutchbopper's presence. The guy could really play.
I tend to think the difference between pro-level and amateur is that the pro-level player can deliver it every night. They are consistent at a certain level of excellence. We amateurs have our moments, maybe even sometimes playing something really inspired, but then it slips away. We're uneven in our level of performance. I think of professionalism in any endeavor is a certain level of excellence that is delivered pretty much every single performance.

What happened to him?



Arnie...

[grahambop]

What happened to him?



Arnie...

He’s still playing gigs and posting clips on youtube, he’s just not on the forum any more.

[Christian Miller]

Tbf this place did seem to make him quite cross.

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[Strat-itis]

I tend to think the difference between pro-level and amateur is that the pro-level player can deliver it every night. They are consistent at a certain level of excellence. We amateurs have our moments, maybe even sometimes playing something really inspired, but then it slips away. We're uneven in our level of performance. I think of professionalism in any endeavor is a certain level of excellence that is delivered pretty much every single performance.

Some amateurs play at advanced / pro level with polish and consistency, they're just not pro.

[joe2758]

Aha, but what if they WERE pro but are no longer pro?

[Strat-itis]

[Christian Miller]

Some amateurs play at advanced / pro level with polish and consistency, they're just not pro.

The definition of pro is literally just that you earn some or all of your income from playing music.

It’s not like there’s some exam you do or some sort of anointing ceremony.

I would say that pros generally have a lot of soft skills and robustness about their playing that comes from having to deal with the ups and downs of life as a jobbing player.

We all have (in retrospect) hilarious stories about terrible gigs. So that tends to bombproof your playing after a while, among other things.

But that’s not to do with creativity or excellence. It’s just being seasoned.


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[Strat-itis]

I'm aware of the definition of professional. Thx Christian.

[Christian Miller]

I'm aware of the definition of professional. Thx Christian.

I was agreeing with you lol

I know it’s shocking

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[Strat-itis]

Ha

[Christian Miller]

Honestly next time you see some legendary pro at a masterclass or something - ask what was their worst or more surreal gig. It will be worth your while.

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[Strat-itis]

Ha. Because even formidable pros have scrumming around with work in their musician history?

[Christian Miller]

Ha. Because even formidable pros have scrumming around with work in their musician history?

I don’t think people realise how universal the jobbing musician experience is. The Coltrane quartet played functions.


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[joe2758]

I played at the funeral of a goldfish once.

[AllanAllen]

I mean, I’m a pro. It’s not anything… stepping off a curb.

Calling a few places that have live music and booking your own thing. The bar is low and a lot of you are the only thing holding yourself back.

[Jabberwocky]

I played at the funeral of a goldfish once.

Requiem For a GoldFish Called Wanda. May I have the score?

[jazzyfan]

I mean, I’m a pro. It’s not anything… stepping off a curb.

The bar is low and a lot of you are the only thing holding yourself back.

I wish a LOT more people WOULD hold themselves back.
The number of absolute shit musicians out there is astonishing.
It's so awful, and the worst are the clueless morons enabling and praising them to the skies.
It's always been like this and it always will be, and even though there is little to be done about it, it doesn't lessen my hatred for these charlatans and their "fans".

[Litterick]

The definition of pro is literally just that you earn some or all of your income from playing music.

A professional earns most of his or her income from a particular activity. Those who earn some income are semi-professionals, like Jim Thackeray: 'In Memoirs of a semi-pro musician Jim Thackeray recounts tales from over forty years of playing and enjoying his guitar'.

I doubt many musicians could make a living from playing jazz these days.