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Apparently he's a British prog rock drummer who is now doing you tube videos on jazz.Does anyone watch them?
What's your opinion?
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03-12-2026 05:53 PM
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If I’m watching a drummer on YouTube it’s one of these guys.
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watched a few, seems like a knowledgable guy. Pointed me towards some good Jazz albums to check out that I otherwise would not have.
Originally Posted by sgcim
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Andy's ok, you take him or you leave him. He has a strong personality, which is fine by me, and can play. He quite recently played with Jim Mullen, FWIW.
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Yeah it's not really a personal thing. I just don’t really like that style of content, I think. Thousands disagree! Originally Posted by Peter C
I’m sure he’s an absolutely wicked drummer.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Christian Miller; 03-13-2026 at 10:15 AM.
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They actually played in Andy's studio, followed by a long-ish interview with Jim, who I don't think suffers fools gladly. It's on YT. Originally Posted by Peter C
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Haha you have no idea. But I’m not repeating those stories on the web. ;-) Originally Posted by Peter C
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Yeah, he's got these off-the-wall videos on jazz where he's telling people to stop playing like dead musicians. Then he tries to illustrate how you should play jazz, but instead of playing drums, he plays guitar, which he's not very good at..LOL! Originally Posted by Christian Miller
As if that's not enough, he chooses to play to backing tracks to "Stella"!
His solo is pitiful, with some wrong notes, and most annoyingly, he doesn't swing, while his backing tracks do swing, so he sounds completely out of place. He plays these stiff triplets which sound like they came out of a 1930's version of "Teddy Bear's
Picnic"...LOL!
I told him he should just stick to making videos about Rock, Fusion and Prog, which I'm sure he's very proficient at- on drums.He made another video about jazz rock guitarists, and spent a great deal of time on Eric Clapton and Jimmy Page, neither of whom have the slightest interest in jazz.
I told him I'm never going to watch another of his videos, I think he enjoys it when you put him down. He's got enough idiot followers to make up for it.
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I played in a big band with "Pretty" Purdie for a while. One time he showed up for a rehearsal without a drum set! He said he had a heavy cold. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
We talked about the live album he did with Coryell in Montreux.
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Lol, that does sound like the sort of thing that he'd say... Originally Posted by sgcim
I played in a big band with "Pretty" Purdie for a while. One time he showed up for a rehearsal without a drum set! He said he had a heavy cold.
We talked about the live album he did with Coryell in Montreux.
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Oh that sounds like I've been missing out actually! Originally Posted by sgcim
Maybe I should just start doing 'reacts' to Andy Edwards videos. My deep dive into Wes didn't exactly go viral.
Low effort content is the way!
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(Guilty admission - I quite enjoy Sor Hands.)
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go and react to that one. the melisma is real, lol
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TBF it's not quite lolcow territory. But it's going that way. Originally Posted by djg
Mostly it is a sobering experience for me as a YouTube creator to see where I am going wrong haha. I'm quite serious.
I have it on good authority Andy regards this whole thing as 'money for old rope' (he is a friend of friend BTW. ) I do kind of respect that. We all have bills to pay.
I think in the end YouTube has become a way to organise and monetise transcription and research projects that I wanted to do anyway. It justifies the amount of work that goes into these videos becasue I do actually want to learn things by making them. But it's striking that one of my most popular videos that is still steadily picking up views is what I would describe as 'low effort slop I made in about 45 minutes.'
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yeah, as if. what's the hourly rate making a 60min vid that gathers 5k views? i bet he can barely grind out a minimum wage as a "content creator" aka youtube serf (1). Originally Posted by Christian Miller
(1) Serfdom was a system of mutual (though highly unequal) obligations: What the Serf gave: The serf had to spend 3–4 days a week farming the lord's fields (the "demesne"). They also had to give a portion of their own crops to the lord as a tax and pay fees to use the lord's grain mill or bread oven. What the Lord gave: In exchange for the labor, the lord provided the serf with a small plot of land to grow their own food, and—most importantly—physical protection from raiders, bandits, or rival armies. sounds like youtube to me
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The money isn’t in YouTube monetisation. The platform itself is a shop front for products you sell off the site. Or patreon subscriptions which is passive income. Originally Posted by djg
yeah, as if. what's the hourly rate making a 60min vid that gathers 5k views? i bet he can barely grind out a minimum wage as a "content creator" aka youtube serf (1).
(1) Serfdom was a system of mutual (though highly unequal) obligations: What the Serf gave: The serf had to spend 3–4 days a week farming the lord's fields (the "demesne"). They also had to give a portion of their own crops to the lord as a tax and pay fees to use the lord's grain mill or bread oven. What the Lord gave: In exchange for the labor, the lord provided the serf with a small plot of land to grow their own food, and—most importantly—physical protection from raiders, bandits, or rival armies. sounds like youtube to me
At least that’s the way it works for all YouTube jazz guitar people. I don’t think the market supports massively more views than I get atm on average.(Always looks at views, not subs.) Maybe a few times more but not much. It’s a a niche. That’s an income stream of a few hundred a month from YouTube. Not enough to retire on lol. But better than a poke in the eye with a stick.
But if you know what you are doing with selling courses and subscriptions, and are willing to be entrepreneurial, you can probably make a good living out of it.
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He should definitely stick to the drums.
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i get that. it is why i dont believe the "money for old rope". passive income? i assume it it actually hard work and i am suspicious of anyone claiming otherwise. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
if i was benevolent dictator, a youtube thumbnail with the open mouth or the thinking pose with the index finger - aka the youtube-face - would result in immediate capital punishment.
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I never look at youtubes with those silly thumbnails, they just annoy me so much.
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Yeah I mean passive income, not really a thing exactly. But I think I could do a lot less work, let me put it that way. If I wanted to, that is. Originally Posted by djg
Tbh most of the hard work these days in preparation to make the video. The video itself I can make in an hour, and the editing is also less time than you might think. It's straightforward once you have your home studio set up and camera dialled in. If I didn’t bother preparing or editing I could cut it right down. A lot of content I see out there seems to be like that. As I say, I’ve done videos like that myself - 45m of me talking about my guitars and stuff.
The trick would be to come up with the to get thumbnails and titles ahead of time of course. That’s the single most important thing to get right. Actually mostly it’s in the subject. The gurning faces and capitalised words I don’t think make much difference.
(BTW people do that stuff because your success (or lack of) on YouTube is a really noisy signal with a lot of variables going into the process so you get this sort of slightly Cargo Cult-like behaviour. That stuff could make for a fantastic PhD haha.)
But people ARE apparently more likely to click on something framed negatively, which is depressing. Marketting 101, I expect.
Subject wise - Mostly gear. The guitar public also like be told that they don't have learn stuff. Because there’s a lot more, shall we say, guitar buyers than real guitarists, let alone musicans who pay the instrument.
Certain YouTubers I can think of fit this description exactly. I’m sure you can think of them too.
Barry in the thumbnail usually does well. You do need to be careful. A certain jazz guitar YouTuber put out a poorly prepared and slightly inaccurate video with the thumbnail ‘this is what everyone gets wrong about Barry Harris’ (I paraphrase) and hilarity ensued.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Christian Miller; 03-14-2026 at 02:17 PM.
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You talking about the Maddox/TILFBH thing? Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Yeah Originally Posted by AllanAllen
All I’ll say is that is that my reaction to seeing Maddox drop that thumbnail was pretty much ‘I’m going to ignore that or it will annoy me.’
I see lots of videos with Barry in the thumbnail. Marbin/Dani put one out yesterday.
I did watch the Maddox vid in the end just for context. In general, I think it’s more productive to try to produce videos that aren’t complete rubbish then comment on other people’s content. Mistakes happen, and Chris has corrected me a couple of times. He seems to watch all the Barry related stuff.
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I also don’t get the 1235 licks or whatever video started it. That’s where I dropped off TILFBH. So that coincidence made me chuckle.
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Yeah. I mean they’re just like 4 licks that come in useful. It’s not that big a deal really. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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i wasnt aware of that drama and just watched it. i think i hate them both. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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