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1. Have you ever taken advice here that you wish you wouldn't have, or is not good advice in hindsight?
2. Do you ever cringe at the advice given by others to beginners?
What is the ratio of players that consistently give good advice etc?
What about the problem of new people not knowing who's advice to follow, not having heard their playing?
Stuff like that.
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10-29-2025 10:15 AM
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I think there is good advice here. The top answers are often learn tunes, get a teacher and play with others. Which like, nobody does, but we do our due diligence before delving into our personal obsessions.
I have socials right in my signature so when someone comes across my opinion they can weigh them against my playing. Like, if they want fusion advice they should completely ignore me.
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In jazz, for every player who gives advice, you can almost always find a more accomplished player who gives the opposite advice.
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Show me one accomplished player saying to learn tunes by tab and not play with other people.
Originally Posted by Tal_175
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In general this forum has been positive for me for guidance. There can be bad individual comments but the forum always seems to trend toward the right ideas.
Sometimes I cringe at advice given to beginners like just listen to records and ear it etc.
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I doubt that there is any. These would be ridiculous things to say. What's your point? (read my post again perhaps?) Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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It's rare (or near nonexistent) on the forum that anyone gives ridiculous and obviously harmful advice. That's because good advice is cheap. For example, when someone asks how they should get into jazz improvisation and one of the forum members says something like "practice playing chord tones", chances are they are just channeling pedagogical ideas they encountered in credible sources. They are not implying that they discovered this approach themselves from their own playing experience.
Typically, we get like a dozen or so practice ideas/approaches that circulate every advice thread. These are all generic elements of common jazz pedagogy. If you spend a few months on the forum, you'll probably see all the advice you're ever gonna see. Some of the approaches might be mutually exclusive. But that doesn't mean one of them is wrong. A lot depends on students having insights into their own learning habits, strengths, and weaknesses.Last edited by Tal_175; 10-29-2025 at 02:09 PM.
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I think people give the best advice they can. Presumably, it's based on what they found helpful.
Of course, there are an infinite number of paths up this mountain and what works for one player may not (or is probably not) best for another. A lot depends on taste, physiology, cognitive style, age, talent, time to practice etc.
Best advice I've gotten on here tends to be small points that I can get into my playing fairly quickly. But, there's also been great advice that I couldn't or wouldn't follow.
Worst advice, which was on usenet years ago, was to take every possible triad pair (every type, 12 keys) and play them against every possible bass note.
Seemed to me the advice must have been given by somebody who had already experienced reincarnation. And at the end of whichever life you were on when you got to the last triad pair, you still wouldn't know any tunes.
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Concentrate on the small details, whilst practicing at home. (A teacher helps with faster progress.)
But, I improve more by learning songs and then playing them live.
My fav forum posts are seeing pics of NGD.
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The forum is not the right medium for personalized advice. It's a good place for compiling information, working out and refining your own ideas, sharing your journey with other jazz musicians, and gaining insights into their experiences and musical development.
Although I occasionally encounter people complaining about the forum (not you, Joe), what I see is that every member is participating in a way that works really well for this medium. The forum is not TrueFire, Instagram or a private instructor. It may overlap with these in a way at times, but it serves a different purpose ultimately.
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advice you say..one of my fave lines... Originally Posted by joe2758
Here..take my advice..I'm not using it..
You will find some advice that may be good but not what your looking for.
Learning anything is a solo journey-advice included.
Last edited by wolflen; 10-29-2025 at 07:55 PM.
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I think that’s a pretty good answer Originally Posted by Tal_175
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If I've figured out anything, it's that the only "absolute" is that any method that claims to be the "absolute" way is full of crap.
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I haven't been able to form an opinion. I can't remember seeing any bad advice per se, mostly just things that could skew priorities.
I think people may be a little hasty in doling out stock advice. It won't make them a worse musician, but it could be a time sink to the wrong person.
Obviously that's up to the learner, but they also don't know yet.
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I only implement the advice I hear from people whose playing I've listened to and admire. That's because for me, the main goal is not "I want to be a great jazz player" but usually something like "I want to do that thing Joe Pass does" or "I want to play long lines like Jimmy Raney." So I look for advice from people who I have heard doing the Joe Pass thing or playing nice long bop lines like Jimmy Raney.
I tend to seek advice for these more specific things, mainly because I quit on "Finding my own voice" and things like that a long time ago. I want to play a good solo and not crash the band.
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Imagine one could collect (regarding guitar playing) what might be so called accepted convention, best practices, common practice, conventional pathway, established tradition, prescriptive recommendations, professional consensus, regular guidance, routine approach, standard and normative, state of the art, usual and customary, basically all popular authoritative advice etc...
I've pretty much egregiously departed from or violated almost everything in there except the handful of general vague one-liners that are agreeable to all but don't really have any specific traction at the detail implementation level.
My path to playing like I do sometimes reminds me of the guy in the old Twilight Zone episode that received letters encouraging him to place particular bets on sporting events and send part of his winnings to a PO Box, cash only. He ignored the first one but saw against all odds the chosen boxer win his fight on a TV in a bar a few evenings later. He bet on the next letter and won, and continued to receive letters, making bets, winning all of them, and sending cash to the PO Box. After a few months of this mysterious success the letters stopped...
The anonymous letter writer was in prison with time and materials to write thousands of letters, half advising to bet one way, the other half the other way. Subsequent letters only went to those who won from their previous letter. He was going to be released in a few months, this all timed so when he had worked the whole thing down to just the last two sent letters, he was done; with a PO Box full of letters full of cash waiting for him on the outside... the last letter in the PO Box with the most cash from the guy who had been on the winning side of all the rounds of letters.
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I should go to prison to make some real money.
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PM me Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Are we sure this wasn’t Mick Goodrick? Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
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That's exactly what I was thinking when I read that post. Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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I have found all advise to be good, when taken in moderation.
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I teach a few of my students in a group class and they want to start going through Advancing Guitarist. Originally Posted by Tal_175
I'm thrilled obvs
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this is objectively not true. Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Is it a good book? Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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I know you're asking Pamolo, but I found the book to be a kind of "how to get out of a rut" or "how to get out of your recycled patterns"
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