Just Friends - a Martjin Van Iterson lick. Question

[Christian Miller]

Personally I disagree, part of the dim scale was used in many Bebop phrases.

It was part of one of Charlie Parker's common phrases.
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"Thomas Owens" lists over 300 uses of Parker using this Dim phrase (above).

That's not the diminished scale. It's a Ao7 arpeggio revolving to the note F.

[Christian Miller]

hardbop introduced the funky 16th. that wasnt barry's thing.

I wasn't talking about the 16th.

[Christian Miller]

Can't say I agree with this. If Trane doesn't sound like a bop player on the Miles stuff, what does? And BTW when you say 'bop' it's unclear whether you mean bebop or any of the other bops like hard-bop. If you mean bebop well, perhaps, but if you mean any kind of -bop, then I totally disagree.

And as for Miles not doing so when he was with Bird, that sounds a bit crazy to me. I mean, Miles was pioneering on those records - or is that just my ignorance of the Prez school?

OK, rather than get get in the weeds on the definition of "bop" (which noone uses consistently), it may be clearer to say - the (mature) Trane represents to my ears a significant stylistic break with what came before - that thing being the (be)bop approach to improvisation.

OTOH I mean Blue Train is obviously a hard bop record, fair enough, etc.

[Christian Miller]

Anyway the OP was asking about what Martin Van Iterson plays.

FWIW I think most people play Eb7 on that chord, including Bird.

[James W]

OK, rather than get get in the weeds on the definition of "bop" (which noone uses consistently), it may be clearer to say - the (mature) Trane represents to my ears a significant stylistic break with what came before - that thing being the (be)bop approach to improvisation.

OTOH I mean Blue Train is obviously a hard bop record, fair enough, etc.

Ok yeah, sure.

[GuyBoden]

Sorry but, this is how you play "Just Friends".

On a small carbon fiber guitar. Hearing the melody in your head.

:high ly_amused:

Edit: I think, I recorded this last year.

[ragman1]

You're playing it with your index finger! And I thought I was weird

It's quite interesting. In the video on your site you're using lots of fingers so you're apparently a dedicated finger player.

(By the way, does the bloke on rhythm know he's drowning you out? He should know that anyway).

nice cap :-)

[acoustic_archtop]

I have a question for those who care to elucidate me please

I am going through Just Friends, as played by Martjin Van Iterson on his "In The Style Of..." videos.

It starts nice and clear enough, but then over that ii-V that comes on bars 7-8 (Bbm7-Eb7) he chooses to play... F#7b9 Phrygian Dominant (B harmonic minor)
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This is a little clip of me playing from the start of the song up to that point, before resolving to Am7 on bar 9

Just a moment...

Can someone please explain why this choice of scale? It seems totally out of place there, yet it sounds good.

you're way over thinking it. It's just approach notes. He didn't choose a scale.