One octave scales - VIDEO

[grahambop]

See above - I was hearing it differently. If I hear the accent on the last note I’ll play it.

On paper I saw it as a resolution to the beat and standard practice is to slur the upbeat. But that’s not how bird plays it as you say. Once I knew how it was meant to sound I adjusted my approach.

It’s like what people have said above. It’s intuitive.

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I’ll have to get my guitar and remember how I play Billies Bounce, probably I do something completely different!

I didn’t realise it was from that tune either, just that it was a very familiar phrase.

[Christian Miller]

you’re sliding into the last note I think? I find it hard to accent it like that.

Maybe it’s also something to do with the RH picking, I haven’t really analysed it.

Argh just deleted my own post.

So yeah as soon as I realised it was BB I changed the accentuation. I’d also be less likely to slide the last note if I’m accenting. But really it comes from the right hand.

Usually I slur from the upbeat to the downbeat, hence the slide


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[Christian Miller]

Which come to think of it demonstrates the danger of thinking about things in too much of a systematic way.


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[AllanAllen]

I start that phrase on my pinky and then follow Christians fingerings after that. My fingers aren't fast enough to make that jump in time.

I don't see why a 3 finger player can't use a pinky every now and again.

[pamosmusic]

I'm a total 4-fingers dork.

Sigh.

[grahambop]

I’ll have to get my guitar and remember how I play Billies Bounce, probably I do something completely different!

ok it seems I play it as I said, but the way I do it that phrase (in the key of F) lays across strings 2,3,4 so there’s less of a jump between 4th and 1st finger on the adjacent strings.

[grahambop]

I'm a total 4-fingers dork.

Sigh.

I was taught classical guitar first (age 12) so started as 4 fingers. But a few years later I got an electric guitar and rocked out, so taught myself the bluesy bending Hendrix stuff exclusively with 3 fingers.

Eventually got into jazz so now I do a weird mixture of both!

[pamosmusic]

I agree with everything said here, Christian along with the comments by bediles and Mick. Like you, I'm an autodidact when it comes to jazz guitar (and much else). I spent my early days from the age of 8 with no system whatsoever, playing up the string using 1, 2 then finally 3 fingers, a la Goodrick's 'unitar' rather than in 4-finger set positions. I was learning piano at the same time and tended to visualise the fret board in a similar manner (Pat Martino once described the guitar neck as 'six pianos'). I didn't come across CAGED until years later and I must admit it helped as a visual reference. Curiosity lead me to learning all my scales in 3NPS and Berklee 7 position forms as well and it meant that I wasn't locked into one set of fingerings as there's always the danger that the 'cart leads the horse'. Eventually, they all overlapped, cancelled each other out and fell away. These days, I mostly work on repertoire without thinking about scale forms, especially when dealing with bebop heads where everything goes out the window!

This sounds like the way I learned scales. The first ones were definitely CAGED, and those are those ones I use if someone is like "hey play me X scale." But my guitar teacher in high school would just keep throwing little ways of playing scales at me as soon as I got comfortable with them. He was a shred-metal guy, so after the CAGED ones, he threw the 3nps ones at me. When I got pretty good with those, it was 4nps. Then he gave me this big tome of one-octave scale fingerings. Then he had me do these little exercises to go up the whole neck across four strings or something. Then he had me get Advancing Guitarist and we did all this single string exercises. He threw these exercises at me that he called "hop-scotching" which were brutal and I still use them when I teach. I've never seen those anywhere else, but he had a file cabinet in his house with a bunch of cut outs and photocopies from probably fifteen years of Guitar Player Magazine and the like. So probably something in there.

So just ... having loads of ways of getting around.

I teach with the caged patterns and I'm strict with the fingerings just because people should have a functional fourth finger. But as soon as they have two patterns, I have then work on getting from the low note of one pattern to the high note of the next, and just explore and tell them point blank to change positions wherever it's comfortable and use them as an opportunity to find fingerings that work. Learning licks and vocabulary, I really don't care what finger they use as long as the fingering is efficient.

Especially with pentatonics and blues, I feel like people don't really use them all. Minor pentatonic from the root and from the fifth are the big ones, with people using little cells from the others to extend the range when they need to. So it's much easier to find those ways to make the shifts with three fingers.

[pauln]

Interesting, but personally I find that more difficult, due to the fact that I exclusively use 4 fingers for fretting. If I was a 3 finger player it would be easier.

I'm also exclusively 4 fingers, but did
it with the 3 finger revivalists in mind.
(I can't keep track of which are them)

[Mick-7]

Can't believe that Christian posted an example in which he plays an unamplified Telecaster. He of all people! The future of Western civilization is bleak indeed!

[Christian Miller]

Can't believe that Christian posted an example in which he plays an unamplified Telecaster. He of all people! The future of Western civilization is bleak indeed!

It's my late nite guitar. I play anything louder downstairs after 8 I get complaints from the kids.

[AllanAllen]

Have to tried putting a box fan in their room?

[Bobby Timmons]

It's my late nite guitar. If I play anything louder downstairs after 8 I get complaints from the kids.

Tell em to get a job.

[bediles]

Have to tried putting a box fan in their room?

In the UK in wintertime?? Aren't the walls still made of cob over there?

[Christian Miller]

Tell em to get a job.

Good point. My 4 year old would make an excellent Project Manager.


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[Christian Miller]

In the UK in wintertime?? Aren't the walls still made of cob over there?

I don’t know what cob is, maybe it’s bricks as opposed to twigs or whatever it is American new builds are made of.

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[bediles]

I don’t know what cob is, maybe it’s bricks as opposed to twigs or whatever it is American new builds are made of.

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Fair play. Everyone's forced to get wolf insurance here.

[Christian Miller]

Tbf due to incredibly restrictive planning laws no one has built a house in the UK in the past two or three decades.

I’m not sure how Wolf resistant my Edwardian 2-up-2-down is.

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[GuyBoden]

Fair play. Everyone's forced to get wolf insurance here.

There has been a UK Public broadcast on the subject of the 'Three Little Pigs'.

Were they victims or Insurance Fraudsters?

Was the Wolf framed?

Watch and be informed.