At Seventeen

**Doctor Jeff** · 12-28-2023, 03:54 PM

She's a talented woman. I followed her career a bit in the early days. It's a shame she didn't have a bigger career than she had, though she has put out a lot of albums and still performs a bit. Not many people have even one song with the staying power of At Seventeen.

By report she performed Society's Child on the Smothers Brothers show when she was 16. Bill Cosby met her there, and apparently tried to get her blacklisted from entertainment shows because he thought she was a lesbian. (She later came out as gay but had not at that point in her life.) More likely she refused a sexual request from him.

I follow her on Facebook. She posts a lot, quite a few jokes and funny pictures. She is, not surprisingly, a big liberal.

joelf · 12-28-2023, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ragman1

It's easier to leave it as it is. The link opens a pdf whose view can then be changed to how the viewer wants it, including rotation, see below.

Open the pdf and go right to the end of the icons. You'll see two chevrons pointing right. Passing the mouse over it reveals it as the Tools button. Click on that (twice) and you'll see the rotate options. Et voila.

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Wow! Thanks man...

**ragman1** · 12-28-2023, 07:38 PM

I meant click on the Rotate button twice, it only goes round halfway at a time :-)

joelf · 12-28-2023, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff

She's a talented woman. I followed her career a bit in the early days. It's a shame she didn't have a bigger career than she had, though she has put out a lot of albums and still performs a bit. Not many people have even one song with the staying power of At Seventeen.

By report she performed Society's Child on the Smothers Brothers show when she was 16. Bill Cosby met her there, and apparently tried to get her blacklisted from entertainment shows because he thought she was a lesbian. (She later came out as gay but had not at that point in her life.) More likely she refused a sexual request from him.

I follow her on Facebook. She posts a lot, quite a few jokes and funny pictures. She is, not surprisingly, a big liberal.

Cosby. Ugh.

Glad she still does her thing. And it's amazing that those socially conscious songs even got airplay in the late '60s, early '70s. She took a huge risk and also stuck to her guns. There's a very good 2-book set by Paul Zollo, Songwriters on Songwriting. In the interview with Ian she told how a record exec implored her to tone down Society's Child, make it not about a black-white romance. She told Zollo 'I figured I'd have plenty of time to sell out later if I wanted to'.

But never did...

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 12-29-2023, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

It is, actually, even though it sits nice on guitar...the tough part is her guitar voicings on the original are lovely, with the guitar part often supplying a high harmony to the vocals. But if you're going to play it as a solo piece, you can't really have both...

If you flub something, just murmur vague obscenities

joelf · 12-29-2023, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

If you flub something, just murmur vague obscenities

Ha!

**A. Kingstone** · 12-29-2023, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

If you flub something, just murmur vague obscenities

Due to reading this this morning, I could hear Ms. Ians lovely voice all day as I walked and split wood.

Great thread Joel.

**mr. beaumont** · 12-29-2023, 10:30 PM

Believe me I have been.

Got a new nylon string guitar today. I'm in love. New vid coming soon

**A. Kingstone** · 12-29-2023, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Believe me I have been.

Got a new nylon string guitar today. I'm in love. New vid coming soon

Damn you Beaumont! I've been thinking just that. Cut away with electronics.

**mr. beaumont** · 12-29-2023, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by A. Kingstone

Damn you Beaumont! I've been thinking just that. Cut away with electronics.

I had a very non traditional nylon i liked, so I went more trad...with crazy electronics...a Yamaha with the built in "tonewood" amp. Its really cool.

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**A. Kingstone** · 12-30-2023, 01:11 AM

Ah man! It's you.

**ragman1** · 12-30-2023, 04:45 AM

Looks nice, Jeff. Is that your Xmas present? Good for you. Now we need to hear it :-)

joelf · 12-30-2023, 04:53 AM

How do I post a video on this here page (or site generally)?

I have this laptop, an iPhone and an iPad.

Tank-a-yiz...

**ragman1** · 12-30-2023, 08:28 AM

You've got to put the video on YouTube first. Then just post in the link.

Have to start charging soon :-)

joelf · 12-30-2023, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by ragman1

You've got to put the video on YouTube first. Then just post in the link.

Have to start charging soon :-)

How do you post it on youtube?

**mr. beaumont** · 12-30-2023, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by joelf

How do you post it on youtube?

Just need a YouTube account.

**ragman1** · 12-30-2023, 11:05 AM

You already have one, Joel! I checked. Isn't this yours?

fasstrack Fass - YouTube

If it's not you need to open one.

How to Create a YouTube Channel From Scratch

**mr. beaumont** · 12-30-2023, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by ragman1

Looks nice, Jeff. Is that your Xmas present? Good for you. Now we need to hear it :-)

It was, kind of. Had my eyes on it for a while, after playing one at a GC about a year ago...and I was sitting on some gift cards and got a few more...I ordered from the evil Amazon empire and it came the next day

I play a lot of acoustic and I really like my "crossover" style Yamaha...but I wanted something a little more traditional in feel and shape, but still with electronics.

I'm still getting acquainted...it needs two things-- normal tension strings (came with high, which are okay, but I like a looser feel) and it needs a ninth fret side dot. But I can tell I'm going to like it. It sounds good even without the built in effects...but with a little reverb, its heavenly.

**ragman1** · 12-30-2023, 11:45 AM

What does nylon sound like through the electronics? I suppose you might have to wait till you get the right action set up.

**Topper Roth** · 12-30-2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by AndyV

I'm late to the party, but here's Charlie Byrd's version:

And a version by one of my favorite players, Duke Levine:

For those of you who may not have yet checked this earlier post by Andy V, you really should, if you are interested in reharmonization possibilities. Duke Levine, who has a degree from the New England Conservatory, is currently Bonne Raitt's touring guitarist (having replaced George Marinelli), and whose playing spans a number of genres, shares a dark and hynoptic version with us here ...

joelf · 12-30-2023, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by ragman1

You already have one, Joel! I checked. Isn't this yours?

fasstrack Fass - YouTube

If it's not you need to open one.

How to Create a YouTube Channel From Scratch

Guess so. So many accounts, passwords, security this and that today who can keep up with it.? But thanks for reminding me. And for the tutorial.

I understand there's FB live too. Gonna take advantage of both, why not?

As a guy once said 'It's easy to be a genius in your living room'. Gotta go before the Vox Populi (and hope they don't think you're Very Putrid)...