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I personally love Tracin' Tracy - Grant Green!
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08-03-2025 02:38 PM
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So i got a noob question - what's the difference between jazz and blues, as in how do you decide which is which? There is improvisation in blues too, so is it based on chords ?
Like for example Grant Green, the Coltrane and Oliver Nelson Septet tracks linked above - to me that sounds like jazz not blues. Muddy, Howling, Kingfish, to name but a few, is what I associate with the blues sound.
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I think blues is the foundation of jazz.
There is a minutia and repertoire that separates the genres. Lines can be blurred, but you can probably tell a jazz guy playing blues, say Herb Ellis, from a blues guy playing blues, like T-Bone Walker.
What really impresses me are the guys like Duke Robillard and Little Charley Baty who can convincingly go back and forth.
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Oddly enough, Pat Metheny's composition "Have You Heard" drops into Cm blues with a bridge in the solo section. Some amazing jazz playing over a Cm blues progression in that.
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Blues has more fried food and fedoras.
Originally Posted by jazzloverfat
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Not sure if my Spotify playlist link works, but here's my playlist:
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Kenny Burrell, Midnight Blue
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Horace Silver
Song for my Father
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OK..basic blues uses three chords for most forms..the I IV and V .. and there are variations that may include other chords but Muddy and Wolf use the three chords mostly.
Originally Posted by jazzloverfat
Jazz Blues will use the same three chords but add more harmonic movement to them.
Example In a G Blues the basic chords might be G7 to C7 for the I7 - IV7 change
In one of my tunes My changes are G13 -Bb13 - Eb 9 - C9 .. here I am adding Bb13 and Eb9 to the basic form..but it is the blues.
It may take some time and alot of listening to hear the basic changes in a jazz format..but they are there behind a harmonic waterfall
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I'm kind of blue about the shameful level of mediocre playing on display around this place. Playing jazz guitar isn't easy, but it's not impossible. With all the talk around here about everything else associated with jazz and jazz guitar, there should be some guys who can play around here showcasing their talent on jazz guitar, not just talk, talk, talk. I would think it would be a source of pride for some of the big talkers around here to showcase ther real talent to back upp their talk. You bastids can flame me if you want for saying this, you can call me arrogant, I don't care. With all the big talkers around here with some definite opinions, there should also be some guys who can really play to back it up . Where is it?
The blowing section of Have You Heard by the PMG is a minor blues with a bridge, and great imrpov.
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I'm confused about the first part of your reply?
Originally Posted by AdroitMage
Were you expecting people to post themselves playing minor blues to give answers to this thread? Or is this a more general complaint about the forum?
Do you post videos of yourself playing to set a standard?
Not trying to be difficult - I'm genuinely curious what you mean?
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After all this time you haven't figured out this guy's MO?
Originally Posted by jamiehenderson1993
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Not really a blues form, but Midnight Voyage is a banger.
Some of Brecker’s very best straight ahead playing, I think, on the solo here.
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Can't go wrong with this gem from
Pat Martino:
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Put up or shut up
Originally Posted by AdroitMage
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Thanks for the explanation!
Originally Posted by wolflen
Like I said, my music theory is kinda Error 404 but I did assume as much. So blues chords but played with jazz feel/rhythm.
What do you mean by harmonic waterfall?
Was really surprised to see you mention Horace Silver - Song for My Father above, I like that record quite a lot actually, but never in a million years would I have thought of it as being blues or jazz blues.
Guess I have a looong way to go still. I can learn a song and play it if I have the music sheet, but take that away from me and if I forget what comes next I feel lost... what should I focus on learning next?
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Yes..the Blues feel is the essence in much of the jazz idiom. While Song for my Father is not a strict blues as its a 16 bar tune. the blues is felt in the way he plays it.
Originally Posted by jazzloverfat
I suggest your listen to the Kind of Blue album-Miles Davis..and hear how the tunes are variations of the blues.
The harmonic waterfall is just that..unexpected chord movement in a progression..it is always a new way to see an old friend-so to speak.
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Just a nitpick… Song for my father is 24 bars. AAB form, no 3rd A.
Originally Posted by wolflen
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Nobody is going to mention Django’s minor blues?
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Interesting. I only count the bars for each unique section. E.g. if a song is AABA, and each section is 8 bars, I say the progression is 16 bars, not 32.
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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AABA doesn't refer to the progression though, it refers to the form.
Originally Posted by jameslovestal



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