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I don’t think that’s a good way to think of things.
Originally Posted by jameslovestal
The A sections should/could/may have different endings(turnarounds), the 2nd one should lead into the B while the 1st leads into itself and the 3rd resolves the form.
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08-12-2025 04:09 PM
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If a section is, for example, A+ (e.g. the last two bars have different chords for a turnaround), I consider that a different progression, and thus I would count those bars.
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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If I choose to play a turnaround on the first A but not the second the progression doesn’t lose bars. You’ve got this over complicated.
Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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I meant that I don't count the entire section again (e.g. A and than A+, which is why said 32 bars, 8 per section * 4).
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Also, I was referring to playing a song as an instrumental where I might not even play the song as the form used when there are vocals.
But I do that so I don't scare off my jam buddies that don't practice songs in their full form, as much as I do. If I call a song where they need to know the chords for a 32 bar song, they just call a 12 bars, one section song! (I'm happy if they can play 1 "A" section!).
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Yeah and the operative thing is if you go to a jam session and tell people you’re playing Another You and it’s 24 bars, they’ll look at you like you have three heads and you’ll have to have this entire thread play out on the bandstand
Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Roy Haynes absolutely kills on this. As do they all.
There's also a live bootleg of Kenny Kirkland and Tain playing this, but idk if y'all are ready for that.
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Hit us with it.
Originally Posted by BreckerFan
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
First track on this. Grab hold of something.
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One wouldn't tell the others a song IS 24 bars, but that they are going to play it as 24 bars. In my experience it isn't uncommon to change the form of a song when done as an instrumental. E.g. a song has multiple sections (like Cheek to Cheek): each soloist only solos over A and B. C is skipped expect for when playing the melody.
Originally Posted by pamosmusic
PS: But I do see the points being made. If I ever play with professionals I'll follow what is being said to a T.
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Due respect but that’s exactly what one would say.
Originally Posted by jameslovestal
”Love Walked In, Eb”
“Love Walked In?”
Hums melody “It’s a 32 bar ABAC.” Counts in song.
If I make modifications from the standard form then I’d use that other kind of language.
32 bar ABAC “but we tag the last four every time” or 32 bar ABAC but we’ll pedal Bb on the As
etc etc etc
Well yeah okay.PS: But I do see the points being made. If I ever play with professionals I'll follow what is being said to a T.
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This isn’t how it works
Originally Posted by jameslovestal
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Yea, I clearly was mistaken.
Originally Posted by Christian Miller



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