“Peace”

[Mark Kleinhaut]

[guitarvegas]

This is so good! No one responding is just baffling to me! God bless.

[Irishmuso]

This is so good! No one responding is just baffling to me! God bless.

The lawyers have a Latin phrase 'res ipsa loquitor' - it speaks for itself. Man and guitar as one.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

This is so good! No one responding is just baffling to me! God bless.

It seems the world is mostly preoccupied right now with trying not to die. Thanks for listening!

[guitarvegas]

It seems the world is mostly preoccupied right now with trying not to die. Thanks for listening!

No way, man! Without good music, we all would surely die. Nobody is too busy for music.

[Kirk Garrett]

It seems the world is mostly preoccupied right now with trying not to die. Thanks for listening!

What? Is today’s world not better than ever? Plenty of data says so. Less poverty by far.

And lots of people playing guitar and posting videos. Almost more than there’s time go look at.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

What? Is today’s world not better than ever? Plenty of data says so. Less poverty by far.

And lots of people playing guitar and posting videos. Almost more than there’s time go look at.

I think it’s dependent on where you live and your personal circumstances. It could be said “it was the best of times, it was the worst of times”

[Kirk Garrett]

I think it’s dependent on where you live and your personal circumstances. It could be said “it was the best of times, it was the worst of times”

I don’t agree. Overall things are better than ever. More resources are more available to more people in more parts of the world. Better working conditions. Dramatically less poverty. No world wars.

But many people think terrible things are coming. That’s as old as the hills.

[Ukena]

Lovely playing, as always. It's always so great to hear you playing that beautiful halfling.

Thank you for continuing to share your ideas, musical and otherwise.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

I don’t agree. Overall things are better than ever. More resources are more available to more people in more parts of the world. Better working conditions. Dramatically less poverty. No world wars.

But many people think terrible things are coming. That’s as old as the hills.

The perspective of life in modern times is very much supported by statistics. So is the methodology supporting the ever approaching midnight on the “doomsday clock”. If you lived in Gaza, Sudan, Ukraine or any other number of places you might think differently. If you are an immigrant in the US you might feel differently. If you are non-white it might be different. If you’re poor it’s a whole other world. I am a lucky one. Very lucky. I don’t take it for granted.

[Mick-7]

I don’t agree. Overall things are better than ever. More resources are more available to more people in more parts of the world. Better working conditions. Dramatically less poverty. No world wars.

But many people think terrible things are coming. That’s as old as the hills.

You are poorly informed. I like rose colored glasses too but don't wear them all the time. We need to be both creative and pragmatic.

Hunger numbers stubbornly high for three consecutive years as global crises deepen: UN report
Evidence - NASA Science

[Kirk Garrett]

You are poorly informed. I like rose colored glasses too but don't wear them all the time. We need to be both creative and pragmatic.

Hunger numbers stubbornly high for three consecutive years as global crises deepen: UN report
Evidence - NASA Science

A three year rise in hunger, largely resulting from the Covid fiasco, does not disprove the numbers supporting the dramatic overall improvement in reduction of poverty worldwide thanks to innovation.

[Kirk Garrett]

The perspective of life in modern times is very much supported by statistics. So is the methodology supporting the ever approaching midnight on the “doomsday clock”. If you lived in Gaza, Sudan, Ukraine or any other number of places you might think differently. If you are an immigrant in the US you might feel differently. If you are non-white it might be different. If you’re poor it’s a whole other world. I am a lucky one. Very lucky. I don’t take it for granted.

None of us should take our health or our well-being for granted.

But I don’t see any world war happening right now, do you?

Nor should we wear a rose colored glasses. On the other hand, the idea that the world is getting worse than any other time in history is simply false and not supported by the data.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

None of us should take our health or our well-being for granted.

But I don’t see any world war happening right now, do you?

Nor should we wear a rose colored glasses. On the other hand, the idea that the world is getting worse than any other time in history is simply false and not supported by the data.

We’re certainly better off globally than say, the dark ages. WWII wasn’t a particularly high point for civilization either. I don’t know where you live but here in the USA we are worse off than just a few months ago.

[Kirk Garrett]

We’re certainly better off globally than say, the dark ages. WWII wasn’t a particularly high point for civilization either. I don’t know where you live but here in the USA we are worse off than just a few months ago.

I’m not sure that counting by months is terribly meaningful. Let me see, Mao starved maybe 50 million people. Stalin and Hitler killed tens of millions, and in the 20th century there were two world wars. Hundreds of millions of people died through tyranny and mass extermination.

I live in the USA, and I would say things are far better now than they’ve ever been for most people by nearly every measure.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

I’m not sure that counting by months is terribly meaningful. Let me see, Mau starved maybe 50 million people. Stalin and Hitler killed tens of millions, and in the 20th century there were two world wars. Hundreds of millions of people died through tyranny and mass extermination.

I live in the USA, and I would say things are far better now than they’ve ever been for most people by nearly every measure.

Ironically, this conversation is on a thread/ song titled “peace”. The problem as I see it is that humans never seem to learn anything from our mistakes, and the consequences of our technology and innovation also gives us the tools to annihilate ourselves with unprecedented efficiency. As I believe Albert Einstein once said; I don’t know what weapons will ultimately be used to wage World War 3, but I do know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

[Kirk Garrett]

Ironically, this conversation is on a thread/ song titled “peace”. The problem as I see it is that humans never seem to learn anything from our mistakes, and the consequences of our technology and innovation also gives us the tools to annihilate ourselves with unprecedented efficiency. As I believe Albert Einstein once said; I don’t know what weapons will ultimately be used to wage World War 3, but I do know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

And yet nobody has used a nuclear weapon since 1945. When is the last time humanity abstained from employing the most destructive weapon available for 80 years?

[Mark Kleinhaut]

And yet nobody has used a nuclear weapon since 1945. When is the last time humanity abstained from employing the most destructive weapon available for 80 years?

. True, and I admire your optimism, wherever you’re finding it from. Good luck to you and yours.

[Ukena]

I live in the USA, and I would say things are far better now than they’ve ever been for most people by nearly every measure.

This is not a political statement, it is merely reflects a current reality: the current administration of the USA would wholeheartedly disagree, as would most of the people who voted them into office.

I'm not saying I agree with them.

[Kirk Garrett]

This is not a political statement, it is merely reflects a current reality: the current administration of the USA would wholeheartedly disagree, as would most of the people who voted them into office.

I'm not saying I agree with them.

I’m not clear about what you’re saying here. I don’t disagree with you, I just don’t know what you mean.

[Ukena]

The current government of the USA ran, and was elected, on a platform that the country is in the worst shape it has ever been. I'm just saying the government doesn't agree with you.

And I will now bow out of posts that do not address the OP and the lovely music contained therein.

[jameslovestal]

Peace is easy and simple to achieve. Just give in to the aggressor and submit to their aggression.

[Stringswinger]

Peace is an imaginary goal that every mammal should try to achieve, but never will, because it is not in our mammalian nature.

Natural selection and peace seem to be mutually incompatible.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

The current government of the USA ran, and was elected, on a platform that the country is in the worst shape it has ever been. I'm just saying the government doesn't agree with you.

And I will now bow out of posts that do not address the OP and the lovely music contained therein.

I’m not looking to bait anyone and totally have this music thread go off-rail, but I am certain that trump is the mist dangerous and incompetent man to ever occupy the White House, to say nothing of his criminality.

[Cunamara]

I don’t agree. Overall things are better than ever. More resources are more available to more people in more parts of the world. Better working conditions. Dramatically less poverty. No world wars.

But many people think terrible things are coming. That’s as old as the hills.

71% of the world's population lives on US$10 a day or less. Wealth disparity has reached staggering proportions within the United States and worldwide. Nearly 18% of people in the United States live below the poverty line, compared with about 10% in the top 25 other developed nations. Since 1980, the wealth advantage of the top 5% of the United States has skyrocketed, in large part due to enormous tax breaks that have been repeatedly given to that group of people and being in a position to leverage economic downturns to their benefit. The average personal wealth of people in the top 1% is 1000 times greater than the average personal wealth of those in the bottom 50%.

As Bob Marley pointed out, "a hungry mob is an angry mob." French royalty found out about that around 250 years ago. It is not impossible for that to be repeated. Bread and circuses only goes so far.