“Peace”

[Cunamara]

Peace is an imaginary goal that every mammal should try to achieve, but never will, because it is not in our mammalian nature.

Natural selection and peace seem to be mutually incompatible.

Wolves and deer do not get to choose their nature; humans, at least to some extent, do. If we don't, then all of our religions are completely false.

[James W]

Wolves and deer do not get to choose their nature; humans, at least to some extent, do. If we don't, then all of our religions are completely false.

Also, wolves and deer do not start wars and also do not invent the means to make their habitat - i.e. the Earth - uninhabitable.

Sorry if this is an obvious observation to make, just pointing out how it is nothing to do with humans being mammals.

[Mick-7]

A three year rise in hunger, largely resulting from the Covid fiasco, does not disprove the numbers supporting the dramatic overall improvement in reduction of poverty worldwide thanks to innovation.

The subjects of the links I posted earlier are closely related: dramatic climate change (2nd link) can decimate agricultural production (1st link) which leads to more famine (as it has done), large numbers of climate change refugees, wars over natural resources - especially water rights. And in the U.S. we have an administration feeding the problem rather than attempting to solve it.

It's true we have not had another world war (which in the nuclear age would likely be fatal to the entire human population) but there are a number of extremely destructive large wars raging now, and the danger of a nuclear disaster, premeditated or not, is always with us. In fact, the current breakdown in international diplomacy increases the odds that we'll have one.

History tells us that people will eventually use the weapons they've created, we've been rather lucky so far with nuclear weapons, but today we have not quite sane national leaders like North Korea's Kim Jong Un who don't seem to have real qualms about using them (and Putin has threatened to use them), so our luck could very well run out.

[Stringswinger]

Our religions are an attempt to steer humans away from our true nature. As bad as mankind is with religion, I would bet mankind without religion would be worse.

A lion will kill lion cubs he has not fathered so the mother of those cubs will go back into heat giving the lion an opportunity to get laid. Nature is not a fairy tale.

In my opinion, President Trump is the best leader the free world has seen since President Reagan. I am already looking forward to his third term.

[Kirk Garrett]

The current government of the USA ran, and was elected, on a platform that the country is in the worst shape it has ever been. I'm just saying the government doesn't agree with you.

And I will now bow out of posts that do not address the OP and the lovely music contained therein.

Oh, all elections are about fixing the status quo. You might have noticed that was the theme in the last election too.

[Kirk Garrett]

I’m not looking to bait anyone and totally have this music thread go off-rail, but I am certain that trump is the mist dangerous and incompetent man to ever occupy the White House, to say nothing of his criminality.

Feeling “certain” can close one’s mind.

[Kirk Garrett]

Also, wolves and deer do not start wars and also do not invent the means to make their habitat - i.e. the Earth - uninhabitable.

Sorry if this is an obvious observation to make, just pointing out how it is nothing to do with humans being mammals.

I am a lover of plants and flowers and beautiful growing things. I have watched many deer destroy them ruthlessly.

[Kirk Garrett]

71% of the world's population lives on US$10 a day or less. Wealth disparity has reached staggering proportions within the United States and worldwide. Nearly 18% of people in the United States live below the poverty line, compared with about 10% in the top 25 other developed nations. Since 1980, the wealth advantage of the top 5% of the United States has skyrocketed, in large part due to enormous tax breaks that have been repeatedly given to that group of people and being in a position to leverage economic downturns to their benefit. The average personal wealth of people in the top 1% is 1000 times greater than the average personal wealth of those in the bottom 50%.

As Bob Marley pointed out, "a hungry mob is an angry mob." French royalty found out about that around 250 years ago. It is not impossible for that to be repeated. Bread and circuses only goes so far.

Now compare those figures to past figures.

If you like, name a year from history and we can look at the data to compare it to the current year and see which is best.

I’ll wait.

[Kirk Garrett]

The idea of “peace “in this thread reminds me of something Eckhart Tolle said in the Power of Now:

(Paraphrasing) Enlightenment is easy in a hut on a mountain top. If you really want to see how enlightened (peace loving) you are, go home and spend a long weekend with the extended family on Thanksgiving.

[Kirk Garrett]

The subjects of the links I posted earlier are closely related: dramatic climate change (2nd link) can decimate agricultural production (1st link) which leads to more famine (as it has done), large numbers of climate change refugees, wars over natural resources - especially water rights. And in the U.S. we have an administration feeding the problem rather than attempting to solve it.

It's true we have not had another world war (which in the nuclear age would likely be fatal to the entire human population) but there are a number of extremely destructive large wars raging now, and the danger of a nuclear disaster, premeditated or not, is always with us. In fact, the current breakdown in international diplomacy increases the odds that we'll have one.

History tells us that people will eventually use the weapons they've created, we've been rather lucky so far with nuclear weapons, but today we have not quite sane national leaders like North Korea's Kim Jong Un who don't seem to have real qualms about using them (and Putin has threatened to use them), so our luck could very well run out.

OK, but you are relying on the idea that things will get worse in the future, not on the way things are right now.

Maybe the idea of mutually assured destruction will not keep us from using nuclear weapons in the future, but it has worked quite well for 80 years.

Regarding the climate crisis, it keeps getting revised as free speech opens up different points of view. The coral reefs weren’t supposed to come back, but there’s been much regeneration. And now cold weather kills more people than hot weather. In fact, the climate kills fewer people than ever before in history. There is reason to be optimistic about our ability to adapt to a changing world.

Over 1,600 International Scientists Sign ‘No Climate Emergency’ Declaration; Dismissed The Existence of a Climate Crisis - Tech Startups

AP Touts Study That Projects Millions Of European Heat Deaths Using Debunked Model, Shaky Stats - Climate Change Dispatch

Climate Models Need an Upgrade: Plants Absorb 31% More Carbon Than Previously Thought

Famine, wars, working conditions, availability of light hours, all have drastically improved from any time in history.

I don’t have time for the strawman argument that some things aren’t perfect now. We know this.

[MinToyTot]

I think it's the duty of an artist to offer moral synthesis in their work - here's one such offering, unfortunately in plain text rather than music (I'll make a real post someday):

Life on Earth is valuable. Humans collectively have the ability to affect the duration/conditions of all life on Earth including our own. Therefore, we should be very very careful to preserve and hopefully enrich terrestrial life rather than destroy or depress it. And we should be especially watchful over the effects of stuff we did without even realizing we were doing it!

P.S. Mark Kleinhaut rules

[Mick-7]

OK, but you are relying on the idea that things will get worse in the future, not on the way things are right now.

Maybe the idea of mutually assured destruction will not keep us from using nuclear weapons in the future, but it has worked quite well for 80 years.

Regarding the climate crisis, it keeps getting revised as free speech opens up different points of view. The coral reefs weren’t supposed to come back, but there’s been much regeneration. And now cold weather kills more people than hot weather. In fact, the climate kills fewer people than ever before in history. There is reason to be optimistic about our ability to adapt to a changing world.

Over 1,600 International Scientists Sign ‘No Climate Emergency’ Declaration; Dismissed The Existence of a Climate Crisis - Tech Startups

AP Touts Study That Projects Millions Of European Heat Deaths Using Debunked Model, Shaky Stats - Climate Change Dispatch

Climate Models Need an Upgrade: Plants Absorb 31% More Carbon Than Previously Thought

I see your problem, you accept unreliable sources of information, for example:
Who is behind the viral document stating that “there is no climate emergency"? - Verificat

Which presumably is why they removed the document from their website: Page not found - Clintel

I'd bet the other two sources you quoted are also bogus.

Yes, I see your second source got the highest "quackery" rating from genuine scientists, which is not easy to achieve.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/climate-change-dispatch/

And we should be especially watchful over the effects of stuff we did without even realizing we were doing it!

Yes, it's called "empathy" which along with common sense, is too uncommon now-a-days.

[Kirk Garrett]

I see your problem, you accept unreliable sources of information, for example:
Who is behind the viral document stating that “there is no climate emergency"? - Verificat

Which presumably is why they removed the document from their website: Page not found - Clintel

I'd bet the other two sources you quoted are also bogus.

Yes, I see your second source got the highest "quackery" rating from genuine scientists, which is not easy to achieve.

Climate Change Dispatch - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check



Yes, it's called "empathy" which along with common sense, is too uncommon now-a-days.

The climate crisis topic is only one aspect of what we’re talking about, and you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t necessarily believe the so-called consensus among scientists after what we’ve been through the last five years.

Again, I will say that the climate is killing fewer people than ever before. You can’t argue with that. What will happen in the future is uncertain, as the disastrous predictions thus far have been very poor.

Numbers Behind The Narrative: What Climate Science Actually Says | ZeroHedge

[guitarvegas]

Hey, listen....if we die, we die....doesn't matter how or when....it is gonna happen. In the meantime.....enjoy your life....kick the breeze....kick the breeze, kick it so it don't kick you, and enjoy the music and keep creating. Your creator created you to create!

[guitarvegas]

And I will end with this. Only three things important in this life. God, love, and music.

Peace

[Mick-7]

The climate crisis topic is only one aspect of what we’re talking about, and you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t necessarily believe the so-called consensus among scientists after what we’ve been through the last five years.

Again, I will say that the climate is killing fewer people than ever before. You can’t argue with that. What will happen in the future is uncertain, as the disastrous predictions thus far have been very poor.

Numbers Behind The Narrative: What Climate Science Actually Says | ZeroHedge

I have to laugh because you're quoting yet another well-known crackpot conspiracy website, try reading information from real accredited scientists who are not, say, paid shills for an oil company like the Tech Startups website geologist whose article you posted the link to earlier.

[James W]

I am a lover of plants and flowers and beautiful growing things. I have watched many deer destroy them ruthlessly.

What's your point? Destroying plants and flowers is not waging war!

[Mark Kleinhaut]

I think it's the duty of an artist to offer moral synthesis in their work - here's one such offering, unfortunately in plain text rather than music (I'll make a real post someday):

Life on Earth is valuable. Humans collectively have the ability to affect the duration/conditions of all life on Earth including our own. Therefore, we should be very very careful to preserve and hopefully enrich terrestrial life rather than destroy or depress it. And we should be especially watchful over the effects of stuff we did without even realizing we were doing it!

P.S. Mark Kleinhaut rules

Now THIS is a comment that bears repeating and rereading.

[Kirk Garrett]

I have to laugh because you're quoting yet another well-known crackpot conspiracy website, try reading information from real accredited scientists who are not, say, paid shills for an oil company like the Tech Startups website geologist whose article you posted the link to earlier.

How do you know?

Since you are hinging your entire argument on only the climate aspect, it would be helpful if you gave the specifics in that single area where you believe life is getting worse.

Remember, the climate is killing fewer people today than it ever has in history.

[nyc chaz]

[QUOTE=Stringswinger,

In my opinion, President Trump is the best leader the free world has seen since President Reagan. I am already looking forward to his third term. [/QUOTE]
Stringswinger,whatever California kush you are smoking,i need to get some because my back has been killing me.How about hooking a brother up?

[jazzshrink]

How do you know?
Since you are hinging your entire argument on only the climate aspect, it would be helpful if you gave the specifics in that single area where you believe life is getting worse.
Remember, the climate is killing fewer people today than it ever has in history.

• Two million people have died in extreme weather-related events since 1970, according to the World Meteorological Organization.
• The cost of damage from these events has increased by a factor of eight since 1970s and now totals $4.3 trillion dollars (£3.5 trillion), the new data from the UN's climate and weather body shows.
• Lower death tolls have nothing to do with such events becoming less frequent or severe. The number of weather-related disasters has increased five-fold over the same period, according to the WMO…But better early warning systems and disaster management in developing countries mean fewer people are dying.

[Kirk Garrett]

• Two million people have died in extreme weather-related events since 1970, according to the World Meteorological Organization.
• The cost of damage from these events has increased by a factor of eight since 1970s and now totals $4.3 trillion dollars (£3.5 trillion), the new data from the UN's climate and weather body shows.
• Lower death tolls have nothing to do with such events becoming less frequent or severe. The number of weather-related disasters has increased five-fold over the same period, according to the WMO…But better early warning systems and disaster management in developing countries mean fewer people are dying.

Bologna.

are climate deaths increasing or decreasing over time? - Google Search


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[Mick-7]

Bologna.

are climate deaths increasing or decreasing over time? - Google Search

The science based conclusion is: "Disaster mortality is not a useful metric for quantifying climate change, and climate-related disasters have increased in number, intensity, and economic cost."

Stringswinger, whatever California kush you are smoking, I need to get some because my back has been killing me. How about hooking a brother up?

If I were you, nyc, I wouldn't smoke that, sounds like it has pcp in it. Maybe buy some $Trump cyber coin instead, safer for your physical health - but not your financial health.

[Stringswinger]

Stringswinger,whatever California kush you are smoking,i need to get some because my back has been killing me.How about hooking a brother up?

Kush is technically a 100 percent indica strain. If you can find it, I recommend Columbian Gold, a 75 percent Sativa, 25 percent indica strain that should help you with your back pain. HTH

Colombian Gold Strain - Uplifting and Energizing Sativa

BTW, President Trump has a better vision for pot than those who came before him.

Trump’s Cannabis Reform: A Game Changer for the Cannabis Industry in 2025

[Stringswinger]

If I were you, nyc, I wouldn't smoke that, sounds like it has pcp in it. .

Years ago, I smoked some pot that was laced with PCP (unknowingly). The buzz approached LSD levels of altered consciousness. I would avoid that personally.