Tunes that use the VII as a major triad or dominant chord prominently.

[brent.h]

This chord needs to come back.

Feel free to add to the list below!

Whispering (1920) - the basis for Groovin' High

Heartaches (1931)

Alone Together (1932)

Live and Love Tonight (1934)

[garybaldy]

Blue Turning Grey
Home

[pamosmusic]

Heartaches and Whispering use that chord as an off chord going back to I, yeah?

I love that chord. I learned Heartaches off Patsy Clines recording a few weeks ago.

I Remember You
Slow Boat to China
It Could Happen to You

If I Loved you has the big common tone diminished 7 in bar two that that chord is often derived from

Not the VII chord but if you want dominant resolving up a whole step it’s particularly common with the III going to IV ….

Someday my Prince
Sunny Side of the Street
Ill Be Seeing You
also Slow Boat

[brent.h]

Blue Turning Grey
Home

Heartaches and Whispering use that chord as an off chord going back to I, yeah?

I love that chord. I learned Heartaches off Patsy Clines recording a few weeks ago.

I Remember You
Slow Boat to China
It Could Happen to You

If I Loved you has the big common tone diminished 7 in bar two that that chord is often derived from

Not the VII chord but if you want dominant resolving up a whole step it’s particularly common with the III going to IV ….

Someday my Prince
Sunny Side of the Street
Ill Be Seeing You
also Slow Boat

Nice!

[garybaldy]

The Sound of Music!!
Only realised this recently but saw the film in the 60s!

[brent.h]

The Sound of Music!!
Only realised this recently but saw the film in the 60s!

haha I'm hearing it more like a Eb with a F bass (F diminished major 7)

[pamosmusic]

haha I'm hearing it more like a Eb with a F bass (F diminished major 7)

F diminished major is E over F, right?

Thats why that common tone diminished gets subbed for the VII7 going to I

[brent.h]

Goddamn typo

[pamosmusic]

If that counts, add Corcovado

[ragman1]

I'm probably being slow but I don't get this. The VII chord as a major? There are lots of tunes where the VII is a dominant but a major? Bit lost there.

[pamosmusic]

Seven Come Eleven?

I feel like there are a lot of swing tunes that do that rhythm changes bridge starting one step further away. Stompin at the Savoy does something like that. Starts on IV but functions like VII to III

[Mick-7]

I'm probably being slow but I don't get this. The VII chord as a major? There are lots of tunes where the VII is a dominant but a major? Bit lost there.

Me neither, especially since there are no VII chords at all - major, minor, or dominant - in Alone Together (the only tune listed in the op's first post that I'm familiar with).

[pamosmusic]

Me neither, especially since there are no VII chords at all - major, minor, or dominant - in Alone Together (the only tune listed in the op's first post that I'm familiar with).

I assumed the E7 at the end of the A section

[Mick-7]

I assumed the E7 at the end of the A section

In what key? In D minor it goes to the parallel major there (Dmaj7) so the Em7b5 is a II chord (if that's the chord you're referring to).

[pamosmusic]

In what key? In D minor it goes to the parallel major there (Dmaj7) so the Em7b5 is a II chord (if that's the chord you're referring to).

Bm7 E7 Gm7 C7 to the F right before the bar you're talking about.

We've had a whole thread about this yeah?

I believe we settled on the original being an Ab dim (maj 7) going to Gm7. Which isn't quite the same thing Brent is talking about, but it's my best guess.

[brent.h]

I'm probably being slow but I don't get this. The VII chord as a major? There are lots of tunes where the VII is a dominant but a major? Bit lost there.

by major i mean major triad.. maybe i should have been clearer with my post title

We've had a whole thread about this yeah?

I believe we settled on the original being an Ab dim (maj 7) going to Gm7.

lol didn't know about this, i should go read it!

In what key? In D minor it goes to the parallel major there (Dmaj7) so the Em7b5 is a II chord (if that's the chord you're referring to).

I hear the E7 as the VII, C7 as the V, F as the I.

[Mick-7]

by major i mean major triad.. maybe i should have been clearer with my post title.

I hear the E7 as the VII, C7 as the V, F as the I.

I see... problem is that the tune is in a minor key, not a major one, in this case D minor, not its relative major key, F Major. And how is a chord [ E7(b9) ] that occurs only once in the entire tune "prominent"?

[pamosmusic]

I see... problem is that the tune is in a minor key, not a major one, in this case D minor, not its relative major key, F Major. And how is a chord [ E7(b9) ] that occurs only once in the entire tune "prominent"?

Sticks out like a sore thumb.

Honestly kind of hard for a VII to I movement to not be prominent.

And sure -- it's in Dm, but can we all agree that the concept of a prevailing key is a pretty loose one in a jazz tune, especially with respect to closely related spots like relative major and minor?

[Mick-7]

Sticks out like a sore thumb.

Honestly kind of hard for a VII to I movement to not be prominent.

And sure -- it's in Dm, but can we all agree that the concept of a prevailing key is a pretty loose one in a jazz tune, especially with respect to closely related spots like relative major and minor?

Just trying to understand what chord he's referencing, the tune has lots of Em7b5 chords (the VII chord in F major) in it, but only a half measure of E7(b9) in the entire tune.

[pamosmusic]

Just trying to understand what chord he's referencing, the tune has lots of Em7b5 chords (the VII chord in F major) in it, but only a half measure of E7 in the entire tune.

It’s “two fived” so easy to just call it a whole bar. But check out the other tunes.

Bars 3-4 of Heartaches (Dexter or Patsy Cline)

Bar 2 of I Remember You (Chet Baker or Bird)

Bar 4 or 10 of Slow Boat (Sonny Rollins)

Bar 4 of It Could Happen to You

Bars 3-4 of Whispering/Groovin High (Dizzy)

Bar 7 or Corcovado … maybe bars 3-4 too?

[ragman1]

by major i mean major triad.. maybe i should have been clearer with my post title

So dominant is okay. Oh, well, there are lots of them! In C, for example, that would be B7 to Em or E7, I assume. Or even a modulation into E major. Probably passing ii-V's don't really count, though.

What are you going to do with the list?

[setemupjoe]

Lover by Rodgers & Hart. It’s the second chord. The song descends chromatically.

My favorite use of the VII7 is the last chord in the bridge of Jerome Kern’s The Song is You. In the key of C the bridge finishes on a B7 that resolves into the C chord for the last A section. Brilliant!

[Christian Miller]

It’s a little more subtle, but the original changes to Georgia

Has I VII7 IIm7 V7 instead of the usual turnaround. Old school!


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[brent.h]

lol i found another tune that has dramatic pauses on the VII triad/chord, love it

plays at 43s, 1m 35s, 2m 26s

fun lyrics too!

[PMB]

The opening of Dream (Johnny Mercer) and Meditation (Antonio Carlos Jobim).