Four

[guitarvegas]

Been having a nice experience playing with Mile's on Four. Funny is, this clip starts just from about the mid point of the song, because I can never seem to pick myself up until the piano solo starts. It's like every time I play it, it is a warm up until I am half-way-thru. It's like 2 minutes.

Anyway, this has been nice....I will be doing a lot more. Jam with Mile's each morning....good for the soul!

Four v2_mixdown.wav - Google Drive

Thanks for hearing my work!
- Brian

[guitarvegas]

Surprised nobody listened....in fact I can say with confidence that this is my best jazz work to date! I hear it....nothing makes me cringe....so I'll take it, and build further from it.

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Miami,where you live,do have excellent jazz teachers,like I told you

[guitarvegas]

A very experienced player took some time and sent me a PM last night, and honestly...it knocked the wind from my sails.

Long story short, I am done posting here (or anywhere). I will spare you guys from listening to my crap music. Guess I am part of the "Corey Feldman" club. Wow, that was tough to write.
Nowhere else to go here with you guys, so not sure what I am going to do. My ear must be horrible, because it tells me lies. I don't hear what you guys do, and that urkes me. How can my ear be that bad?

Anyway, it's dangerously stupid and reckless, and pointless I might add, to continue posting video after video after video. So I am done.

Not sure what my future holds musically....not sure at all right now. I honestly don't think I can learn....like I don't think a teacher will be able to break through to the very thick skull I have. And I am getting older which doesn't help either.

Take care.

[pamosmusic]

A very experienced player took some time and sent me a PM last night, and honestly...it knocked the wind from my sails.

Long story short, I am done posting here (or anywhere). I will spare you guys from listening to my crap music. Guess I am part of the "Corey Feldman" club. Wow, that was tough to write.
Nowhere else to go here with you guys, so not sure what I am going to do. My ear must be horrible, because it tells me lies. I don't hear what you guys do, and that urkes me. How can my ear be that bad?

Anyway, it's dangerously stupid and reckless, and pointless I might add, to continue posting video after video after video. So I am done.

Not sure what my future holds musically....not sure at all right now. I honestly don't think I can learn....like I don't think a teacher will be able to break through to the very thick skull I have. And I am getting older which doesn't help either.

Take care.

This is silly.

I don't know who told you what, but most of the experienced players here tend to be pretty measured in how they speak to people. So either you're over-reacting a bit here, or the person who messaged you isn't all that experienced.

You keep posting videos and just not really following the advice people give. This is music and it is fun, but it's like any other skill. You have to work at it to get better at it, and some work is more effective than other work. If I wanted to learn how to play baseball, I could just get a ball and bat and try to divine the rules of the game from looking at them, or I could ask people who know how to play it and follow their advice. If I went out in the backyard and through a ball over and over at a pitchback or something, it might be a really nice way to get some fresh air and exercise, but I wouldn't get much better at baseball.

So if you want to get better and learn something about the music, just get a couple lessons, ?and listen to the teacher. If not, then just keep doing what you're doing and having fun. But posting videos asking for validation of your improvement probably isn't going to go the way you want. Which is fine. You don't need people to validate something that you find enjoyable.

But again ... if you're looking to get better, then just get a couple lessons and get a little focused about it. It's not easy, but it's also not super complicated.

[mr. beaumont]

Wow, that's a bummer. People can be really nasty sometimes. Who was guitarvegas hurting with his posts?

[pamosmusic]

Dunno but I’ve never met someone worth listening to who would tell a person to stop playing

[Tal_175]

Yeah, good players tend to be encouraging towards students. For example if the student doesn't know their instruments and can't play the changes, instead of saying that they can't play jazz, they may say something like "Your approach to harmony is very original". Or if it takes 30 seconds for the student to hunt down the next voicing on the instrument, instead of saying that their technique is terrible, they may say something like "I love how you take your time between phrases.".

[guitarvegas]

Dunno but I’ve never met someone worth listening to who would tell a person to stop playing

He never said that. It was all in good faith....just tough words to hear. He encouraged lessons...real lessons.

[guitarvegas]

Yeah, good players tend to be encouraging towards students. For example if the student doesn't know their instruments and can't play the changes, instead of saying that they can't play jazz, they may say something like "Your approach to harmony is very original". Or if it takes 30 seconds for the student to hunt down the next voicing on the instrument, instead of saying that their technique is terrible, they may say something like "I love how you take your time between phrases.".

Pardon me asking this, but how could telling a student that something he is doing wrong is actually something good, be beneficial to helping that student? I don't get it.

[pamosmusic]

Yeah, good players tend to be encouraging towards students. For example if the student doesn't know their instruments and can't play the changes, instead of saying that they can't play jazz, they may say something like "Your approach to harmony is very original". Or if it takes 30 seconds for the student to hunt down the next voicing on the instrument, instead of saying that their technique is terrible, they may say something like "I love how you take your time between phrases.".

I don't know about all that.

Good players and teachers are often blunt to the point of being harsh, but if you can't play the changes you'll hear things like ...

"Hey man you're really not making the changes there. Why don't you try ... x y or z"

or

"Hey, that's really not working, I don't think you've spent enough time with that tune."

But that's what we need to hear when we want to get better.

[pamosmusic]

He never said that. It was all in good faith....just tough words to hear. He encouraged lessons...real lessons.

Well then it sounds like maybe you're taking it harder than you should be.

[guitarvegas]

Well then it sounds like maybe you're taking it harder than you should be.

Yeah, for the first 10 minutes. I'm good! Thanks for checking. If I want to go further, I know what I need to do.

[SOLR]

Yeah, good players tend to be encouraging towards students. For example if the student doesn't know their instruments and can't play the changes, instead of saying that they can't play jazz, they may say something like "Your approach to harmony is very original". Or if it takes 30 seconds for the student to hunt down the next voicing on the instrument, instead of saying that their technique is terrible, they may say something like "I love how you take your time between phrases.".

Good catch Tal....

S

[pamosmusic]

Yeah, for the first 10 minutes. I'm good! Thanks for checking. If I want to go further, I know what I need to do.

Or more accurately you’re aware of what you don’t know? And who to ask about it?

[guitarvegas]

Or more accurately you’re aware of what you don’t know?

Of course I am aware.

[pamosmusic]

Of course I am aware.

Okay. Not an of course thing. It’s not always easy to know where your gaps and weaknesses are and to know the limits of your knowledge. Which is why other ears can be so helpful.

Glad you’re feeling better.

[guitarvegas]

This is the best teacher out there....no bullsh*t

South Philly baby....Mr. Jimmy Bruno

Sorry, you have to go to YouTube. Killer player, and a no bullsh*t South Philly dude. Check him out if you want to.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

A very experienced player took some time and sent me a PM last night, and honestly...it knocked the wind from my sails.

Long story short, I am done posting here (or anywhere). I will spare you guys from listening to my crap music. Guess I am part of the "Corey Feldman" club. Wow, that was tough to write.
Nowhere else to go here with you guys, so not sure what I am going to do. My ear must be horrible, because it tells me lies. I don't hear what you guys do, and that urkes me. How can my ear be that bad?

Anyway, it's dangerously stupid and reckless, and pointless I might add, to continue posting video after video after video. So I am done.

Not sure what my future holds musically....not sure at all right now. I honestly don't think I can learn....like I don't think a teacher will be able to break through to the very thick skull I have. And I am getting older which doesn't help either.

Take care.

Don’t quit! We’re all wired differently and that diversity is what makes art interesting. Painting by numbers might look good but it’s a false god. Just be you and by all means keep hitting your head against the wall for as long as it takes. I had plenty of naysayers in my journey telling me I was down a blind alley, but I think I turned out ok anyways. (I STILL get ugly detractors though sometimes). Just be you, carry on. If this was easy everyone would do it.

[guitarvegas]

Don’t quit! We’re all wired differently and that diversity is what makes art interesting. Painting by numbers might look good but it’s a false god. Just be you and by all means keep hitting your head against the wall for as long as it takes. I had plenty of naysayers in my journey telling me I was down a blind alley, but I think I turned out ok anyways. (I STILL get ugly detractors though sometimes). Just be you, carry on. If this was easy everyone would do it.

Thank you. I am not quitting, I don't have that ability. It's not in me to quit.

[pamosmusic]

Don’t quit! We’re all wired differently and that diversity is what makes art interesting. Painting by numbers might look good but it’s a false god. Just be you and by all means keep hitting your head against the wall for as long as it takes. I had plenty of naysayers in my journey telling me I was down a blind alley, but I think I turned out ok anyways. (I STILL get ugly detractors though sometimes). Just be you, carry on. If this was easy everyone would do it.

Actually, Mark ... your perspective might be really interesting for GV.

I know you've spoken a lot about how you learned theory, but don't really involve it all in your creative process and work mostly by ear. I also think I recall you mentioning that you'd studied with Ted Dunbar for some time.

I'm curious how you found that time with Ted? Given your orientation toward improvisation and the way you practice etc, what did you get out of lessons in that (presumably) more formal setting?

GV might get something out of hearing your experience in that respect.

(unrelated, but my guitar teacher in college was a Ted Dunbar student too)

[guitarvegas]

Actually, Mark ... your perspective might be really interesting for GV.

I know you've spoken a lot about how you learned theory, but don't really involve it all in your creative process and work mostly by ear. I also think I recall you mentioning that you'd studied with Ted Dunbar for some time.

I'm curious how you found that time with Ted? Given your orientation toward improvisation and the way you practice etc, what did you get out of lessons in that (presumably) more formal setting?

GV might get something out of hearing your experience in that respect.

(unrelated, but my guitar teacher in college was a Ted Dunbar student too)

Yes, I would love to read Mark's response to your question.

[SOLR]

This is the best teacher out there....no bullsh*t

South Philly baby....Mr. Jimmy Bruno




Killer player, and a no bullsh*t South Philly dude. .

J B is well known in these pages, search the forum. Yes he's a KILLER player but, the way you've reacted to the "personal message" I'd say Bruno would finish you up...or worst, you will not be you anymore. Don't fall prey to flattery or threats they are both equally destructive. Mark is right "Just be you, carry on. If this was easy everyone would do it." you said''it's good for the soul" earlier remember that!. Darn, you're playing music, the music you hear! that's more than most of us will ever accomplish, regardless of what quotes we include at the bottom of our comments page

S

[guitarvegas]

J B is well known in these pages, search the forum. Yes he's a KILLER player but, the way you've reacted to the "personal message" I'd say Bruno would finish you up...or worst, you will not be you anymore. Don't fall prey to flattery or threats they are both equally destructive. Mark is right "Just be you, carry on. If this was easy everyone would do it." you said''it's good for the soul" earlier remember that!. Darn, you're playing music, the music you hear! that's more than most of us will ever accomplish, regardless of what quotes we include at the bottom of our comments page

S

Yeah, he might nearly kill me, but that might be what I need, on the other hand, he could die, and then I would not be able to get my lessons money refunded to me.

[pamosmusic]

J B is well known in these pages, search the forum. Yes he's a KILLER player but, the way you've reacted to the "personal message" I'd say Bruno would finish you up...or worst, you will not be you anymore.

Yeah lots of folks post about Jimmy Bruno quite a lot. Some frequent posters who come to mind are Mark Rhodes and Allan. They’d be good ones to ask about the ups and downs of his approach.

In my limited experience with his stuff (pretty soon after he started posting to YouTube, maybe fifteen years ago), I will say SOLR is for sure right. He is very prescriptive. Thats a particular way of teaching that might not work for everyone, but it’s also not a bad thing. His thing works so he insists people do the thing when they ask for his help. He is indeed a “no bullsh**” kind of guy, but one of the things he would consider to be bullsh** is someone studying with him and not taking his method seriously enough. That would be a good way to get absolutely torched.

Then again, following his advice closely and spending some real time with it would be a good way to get up to speed on the music you want to play.