(not exactly) These Foolish Things

**pamosmusic** · 12-31-2024, 10:40 PM

Eyeroll

**guitarvegas** · 12-31-2024, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by pamosmusic

Eyeroll

But, it was interesting. And Metheny is one of the greatest.

**mr. beaumont** · 12-31-2024, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by guitarvegas

Just listened to Dereck Bailey with Pat Metheny. It sounded like some one ran "on the corner" thru a blender.

Uh, On the Corner is funky as hell.

Dude, I'm trying to back you up on this site...

**guitarvegas** · 12-31-2024, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Uh, On the Corner is funky as hell.

Dude, I'm trying to back you up on this site...

I know, I own the record. Love it. But imagine running it thru a blender....that's what it reminded me of. Oh well...Nevermind....

Here....listen!

**mr. beaumont** · 12-31-2024, 11:35 PM

Not even close, sorry.

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

Not even close, sorry.

It's okay....nevermind me.

I am off my rocker.
Happy New Year, Jeff.

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 01:18 AM

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by pamosmusic

Very strange, because this actually reminds me a lot of me, when I do my experimental stuff....especially as of recent.

**Mick-7** · 01-01-2025, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by guitarvegas

Very strange, because this actually reminds me a lot of me, when I do my experimental stuff....especially as of recent.

As I said, he could play in a more conventional way if he wanted to, I love some of his chord voicings and have borrowed a few of them.

Personally this little tone poem I shared in another thread is about as experimental as I get now-a-days -- Blue and Green - Box.com

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by guitarvegas

Very strange, because this actually reminds me a lot of me, when I do my experimental stuff....especially as of recent.

The tune is in this recording. Disguised but very very much in there.

**PDeville** · 01-01-2025, 12:25 PM

>> I know, I own the record. Love it. But imagine running it thru a blender....that's what it reminded me of. Oh well...Nevermind....
Here....listen!
<<

I always found "free" jazz humorous.
But this legendary Derek Baily/Pat Metheny recording may have a practical use.

If you played this shit at a mental institution, the patients might go sane!!

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by PDeville

>> I know, I own the record. Love it. But imagine running it thru a blender....that's what it reminded me of. Oh well...Nevermind....
Here....listen!
<<

I always found "free" jazz humorous.
But this legendary Derek Baily/Pat Metheny recording may have a practical use.

If you played this shit at a mental institution, the patients might go sane!!

That is certainly a thought to be considered.

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by kris

It would be interesting to confront a musician playing free music at a jam session where mainly standards are played.

Probably would not go well.

Anyway, I am listening the heck out of These Foolish Things (particularly Nat King Cole), and now the melody is locked in my brain. That is my best start. Because now the song is with me...and now I have a shot. Still will take time to work some of these things out, but it is coming along. And my runs may not be up to par with some other players, but I believe I can do this and you will recognize the tune.
At this point, I just want you to recognize the song, and if I can do that, then that would be a first big win for my playing. Wish me some hope!

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by kris

It would be interesting to confront a musician playing free music at a jam session where mainly standards are played.

Or you could try to play with them.

Just a thought.

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by kris

What about the audience and listeners?

...everyone would run away quickly...

I think it’s cute the way jazz musicians think casual listeners easily discern the difference between free jazz and bebop.

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 05:48 PM

I know you guys are going to hate me....but I have to keep working on this, even if it takes me forever to play this. I promise never to call this "These Foolish Things" until you guys say that I can. Even if it takes me a year, I don't care. I will keep working on it. My first recording of the new year. This is not great, but maybe a better start and slightly more recognizable. I just want to be recognizable at this point...that's all....nothing more. No expectations for happy responses here, just gotta keep working this out. Thanks, and bare with me, please.

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by guitarvegas

I know you guys are going to hate me....but I have to keep working on this, even if it takes me forever to play this. I promise never to call this "These Foolish Things" until you guys say that I can. Even if it takes me a year, I don't care. I will keep working on it. My first recording of the new year. This is not great, but maybe a better start and slightly more recognizable. I just want to be recognizable at this point...that's all....nothing more. No expectations for happy responses here, just gotta keep working this out. Thanks, and bare with me, please.

if you want to learn the song, you should just learn the song.

Just play the melody for ten choruses in a row. Transcribe that Nat King Cole melody and just play along with it. Big sound and strong definitive rhythm.

Someone like Derek Bailey can play Laura and have the melody come across not because there’s some alchemy going on but because he’s played it 10,000 times just as it is. He’s played it another thousand times embellishing it. Another thousand times improvising with it.

This is not easy, but it is simple. Post a recording of yourself playing the melody with Nat King Cole. That is the work. If you’re skipping that work, then to be blunt about it, you’re wasting your time. I don’t say that to sound superior but because every jazz guitarist (myself very much included) spends a couple years when they’re young and talented trying to skip that step and it never works.

Peter Bernstein told me to set a timer for thirty minutes and play the melody to Like Someone In Love over and over until the timer went off. Take a break and do it again.

**pamosmusic** · 01-01-2025, 06:07 PM

For my own practice, if I’m learning a tune, I work on it for twelve days. Twelve keys in twelve days. For each key, I play the melody in every position and on every pair of adjacent strings. Sometimes that doesn’t take long, and I use the rest of my time arpeggiating the chord changes or something.

I also make sure to have a reference recording I play along to a lot. I was recently working through Baubles Bangles and Beads and that was Sarah Vaughan mostly.

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by pamosmusic

if you want to learn the song, you should just learn the song.

Just play the melody for ten choruses in a row. Transcribe that Nat King Cole melody and just play along with it. Big sound and strong definitive rhythm.

Someone like Derek Bailey can play Laura and have the melody come across not because there’s some alchemy going on but because he’s played it 10,000 times just as it is. He’s played it another thousand times embellishing it. Another thousand times improvising with it.

This is not easy, but it is simple. Post a recording of yourself playing the melody with Nat King Cole. That is the work. If you’re skipping that work, then to be blunt about it, you’re wasting your time. I don’t say that to sound superior but because every jazz guitarist (myself very much included) spends a couple years when they’re young and talented trying to skip that step and it never works.

Peter Bernstein told me to set a timer for thirty minutes and play the melody to Like Someone In Love over and over until the timer went off. Take a break and do it again.

I promise I will do this! I had already thought about it earlier today.

**guitarvegas** · 01-01-2025, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by pamosmusic

if you want to learn the song, you should just learn the song.

Just play the melody for ten choruses in a row. Transcribe that Nat King Cole melody and just play along with it. Big sound and strong definitive rhythm.

Someone like Derek Bailey can play Laura and have the melody come across not because there’s some alchemy going on but because he’s played it 10,000 times just as it is. He’s played it another thousand times embellishing it. Another thousand times improvising with it.

This is not easy, but it is simple. Post a recording of yourself playing the melody with Nat King Cole. That is the work. If you’re skipping that work, then to be blunt about it, you’re wasting your time. I don’t say that to sound superior but because every jazz guitarist (myself very much included) spends a couple years when they’re young and talented trying to skip that step and it never works.

Peter Bernstein told me to set a timer for thirty minutes and play the melody to Like Someone In Love over and over until the timer went off. Take a break and do it again.

Should I be playing single note melody at first, or should I be incorporating any chord work at this point? Thanks.

**kris** · 01-01-2025, 11:58 PM

Maybe watch some videos on YouTube on how to practice jazz. There's a lot of it.
Even on this forum there are many people who are just starting their adventure with jazz.
Work on your musical ear - this is the basis.