Swing vs bebop

[Christian Miller]

That’s too narrow what about Monk, Rollins, Clifford Brown, Diz? They were all there too.

It is a simplification, and I might be wrong, but the impression I get is that Parker was the very much the main source. (Dizzy had a big influence on trumpeters of course - such as Miles).

Sonny and Clifford came in a touch later. It all happened very quickly. Miles was playing with Bird by the late 40s and was still influenced by the records he put out a couple of years earlier. He had a seismic influence - listen to Don Byas in the late 40s for instance!

Monk had few musical heirs until later.

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[GuyBoden]

This is the "Count Basie" Swing version of "Pennies from Heaven" I know best. I played this version (badly) in a local Swing Band many years ago.

Edit: I also like the laid back 'Lester Young' recordings with 'Nat King Cole'. Recorded 1942.

[Aiq]

Looks like a still out of a film noir movie.

jazz is pretty much the soundtrack of film noir.

I love the picture for multiple reasons. When I was a member of a hippie country band based in NJ - Jerry Harrell Band - we played there about once a month when it was City Limits.

Village Vanguard down the block.

[Gilpy]

I love the picture for multiple reasons. When I was a member of a hippie country band based in NJ - Jerry Harrell Band - we played there about once a month when it was City Limits.

Village Vanguard down the block.

wow, my band played a week there in 1980 also! Cool to see that old picture. When I was in NYC a couple of years ago the building was still there.

[wkmandeville]

I consistently lurk here, but I needed to log in just to say that this Ethan Iverson post is phenomenal. Thanks for flagging it.

Reading through the solo transcriptions is a little phrasing masterclass.

[RyanM]

I think bebop is entirely a rhythmic thing. With those rhythmic accents it’s almost like funk. I think Mike Longo’s material is the best for understanding and playing bebop well

[joe2758]

Yeah I'm hearing more and more of a difference since this came to mind. I much prefer slow bebop (I generally don't play outside of 120-190) to swing licks for building my personal vocab.