Quarter-Note Triplets are *critical* in jazz.

[brent.h]

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[GuyBoden]

Good stuff, you should start a "Subbing 'triplet time' for regular eighth-note-based time" [Study Group].

With examples we can practice.

[GuyBoden]

Perhaps.



This bit/example might be confusing to some, but I think Matt's example sounds like the 2nd half of the bembe rhythm.

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To me, it seems difficult to notate these 'Bembe' rhythms against a 4 beat rhythm. Maybe, two stave notation would clarify things or it probably needs to be heard.

[Christian Miller]

To me, it seems difficult to notate these 'Bembe' rhythms against a 4 beat rhythm. Maybe, two stave notation would clarify things or it probably needs to be heard.

It works OK in 12/8? 12/8 is a four beat time signature. It's probably more unfamiliarity - The beaming should give you a clue as to the downbeats.

[djg]

this is as triplety as it gets. grant's melody is so precise on the 12/8 grid, it is uncanny.

[Christian Miller]

Perhaps.



This bit/example might be confusing to some, but I think Matt's example sounds like the 2nd half of the bembe rhythm.

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Bembe is like a 6/8 bar of triplet and one 6/8 bar of displaced triplet glued together.

Notice that it lines up on four, and we also have the and of four.

[GuyBoden]

6/8 reminds me of the Irish Jigs I've heard all my life, my wife is Irish:

You don't need to go far to hear this 6/8 rhythm, just go to your local Irish Club.

[PMB]

[PMB]

This is how Jonathan Kreisberg teaches hearing/feeling quarter note triplets against straight quarter notes in 4/4 (you may prefer to count "One + a" for the triplets):

[GuyBoden]

I've created my own 'Bembe' rhythm play-a-long, the bass notes on four beats is making it easier:

[rpjazzguitar]

I find it easier to think like this.

XOO XOO XOO XOO. Each letter, X and O, is part of an eighth note triplet.

So each of the four downbeats can be seen as the first note of an 8th note triplet. (Often, this will be felt as 12/8, although that's not central to the point I'm trying to make).

12 notes can also be divided into three or six equal parts. Let's try 6.

Each X and O is still part of a triplet. But now we're accenting different parts of the four triplets comprising the 12 beats.

We get: XOX OXO XOX OXO. So, that's 6 over 4.

It may help to notice that this is alternating Xs and Os. Also that beats 1&2 are the same as beats 3&4.

For three equal parts you get XOO OXO OOX OOO. That's 3 over 4.

Well, this way of thinking seemed simpler before I wrote it down. Basically, I find it easier when the notation shows every beat of the fundamental pulse rather than a mix of eighths and quarters with ties.

[RyanM]

This is the basis for Mike Longo’s course, which he got directly from Dizzy as his piano player. He also says you need the half note triplet, and also off beat triplets

[charlieparker]

Ari Alexander (vocalist wife of guitarist Cecil Alexander) transcribes 'Mean to Me' by Billie Holiday.

What a tune!