Pat Martino Inquiry

[fumblefingers]

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nice work

[PMB]

I personally never understood why people need to over complicate themselves. Why would you want to think of the guitar fretboard as some sort of combination of either diminished or augmented triads. You can think about music in thousands of ways, some of which might actually be helpful, but as I see things everything is simpler the old way.

I'm not sure that it's complicated, GiantSteps - maybe it's just looking at things from the other end of the tunnel.

A simple illustration of the concept can be gleaned from the following chart. Five seventh chord types (major, dominant, minor, half diminished and diminished) are presented in root and inversion. The initial major seventh shapes are completely independent yet they morph into one identical profile. So why not start with the common shape as Martino does and generate the others via a reverse process?

[djangoles]

as the article says...

"And yes, Martino’s genius ideas are almost childishly simple."

[jtizzle]

Well, this got out of hand quickly...

Nosoy, the Barry Harris diminished system is something else than what this thread is referring to.
The diminished system he uses is for the purpose of creating harmonic motion where there is none. Some of it comes together with scales, such as the chromatic notes in the bebop scale which are derived from the diminished system, but it's not really a way to view the fretboard or think about notes.

[tstrahle]

Have you seen this:

http://truefire.com/blog/guitar-less...ing-fretboard/

I will referencing that more than once.

[nosoyninja]

Well, this got out of hand quickly...

Nosoy, the Barry Harris diminished system is something else than what this thread is referring to.
The diminished system he uses is for the purpose of creating harmonic motion where there is none. Some of it comes together with scales, such as the chromatic notes in the bebop scale which are derived from the diminished system, but it's not really a way to view the fretboard or think about notes.

Yes, I understand. But in the linked article, there is some discussion about diminished chords being thought of as a family of dominant chords (lower any note of a dim7 and you get a dom7). This group of dom7 chords is what barry calls "brothers and sisters", since they can sub for each other with varying degrees of tension.

It never occured to me that this type of simmetry could be found in augmented chirds as well...

K