AI? Sure looks like it and frighteningly good.

[alltunes]

Let me know when AI can do a realistic Muddy Waters.

[yebdox]

Good and thoughtful discussions, thanks all, it's what I was trying to incite

Dawg, you are cool. Very much appreciate how you have settled into this community.... You DID come in hot on occasion early on, but I ascribed that to the pride you take in your work, your commitment to the music, making a life out of it... Big Cojones, my friend, and a tip of the hat!

I think what caught me off guard was that "Pretty good" can now be programmed, which made me reflect on where many of us are at. Most of us don't play at Peter Bernstein's or Van Ruller's level, even if we can approximate it, acquire some of the vocabulary, feel, tone, etc. Even then, with deliberate practice and a deeper harmonic understanding, the element of the individual voice might go missing, as well as the unpredictability that makes things exciting. Practicing spontaneity is hard work, like a dog chasing it's tail. Inevitably, it might still fall back on just a wider vocabulary to choose from, on an off day. When someone great is having a GREAT day.... that's the thing that is hard to quantify!

I've studied a lot of Tony Robbins work (though I should be better at so many things as a result... blame me, not him, I think he's an amazing human being.) Tony talks alot about what he calls the "6 Human Needs." 1) Certainty 2) Uncertainty (!) 3) Love/Connection 4) Significance 5) Growth 6) Contribution. What I thought was interesting when I was first exposed to these concepts was the need for UN-certainty in our lives...... variety, surprise, challenge, maybe failure, ignorance, pleasure.

I relate what I think is great playing largely to uncertainty. Great players are unpredictable within the framework of their playing, I think. If you hear the same Wes solo, or phrases repeated in another tune (absolutely inevitable) you might still worship Wes, but there's that little voice that says sometimes, "Oh, I've heard him play that before..... cool, but what have you done for me lately, Wes?" They come down a tiny notch. Still worship the guy more than anyone else, but... there's a pattern emerging. Wes is not, in actuality a God. (Maybe close, though.)

There are likely limits to tasteful surprises, even at the highest level of performing. THAT's the part I hope AI is never able to figure out the pattern to.

Maybe, if we really do live in a Matrix, we won't mind. Hope not.

[DawgBone]

I relate what I think is great playing largely to uncertainty. Great players are unpredictable within the framework of their playing, I think. If you hear the same Wes solo, or phrases repeated in another tune (absolutely inevitable) you might still worship Wes, but there's that little voice that says sometimes, "Oh, I've heard him play that before..... cool, but what have you done for me lately, Wes?" They come down a tiny notch. Still worship the guy more than anyone else, but... there's a pattern emerging. Wes is not, in actuality a God. (Maybe close, though.)

There are likely limits to tasteful surprises, even at the highest level of performing. THAT's the part I hope AI is never able to figure out the pattern to.

Thanks yebdox.

Some other thoughts:

I have heard many people say "blues is boring" but tbh the further I go the more I feel like it's a bottomless well limited only by my own creativity. Comprehend how much is possible with three chords plus any substitutions, a few scales, and an endless combination of slips, slides, bends, reverse bends, hammer ons, and pull offs, never mind using some of those things while comping.

I've thought maybe if I had a 350 year lifespan I'd be getting really good by then only to find that I had just dipped my toe into the waters, or maybe I'd find myself just playing some sort of unique hybrid of jazz and blues by my 200th birthday. I can conceive some of it but haven't really been able to fully wrap my head around it yet....

Then you have the percussive aspect of the drums and the spur of the moment variations and feel a world class blues (or jazz) drummer would impart to a real performance. Add a walking bassline that is something of a personal touch from a given dedicated blues bassist. I'm not sure a digital piece of gear can fully replicate a human time feel just because in the world of digital drums everything is perfect to a grid. That's not how rhythm works in the real world. There is a beat, and there is a pulse, and an infinite amount of possibilities playing ahead of, or behind the beat be it with a guitar, a vocal, or a drum.

Can an A.I system replicate an imperfect, human approach to rhythm "perfectly"? It doesn't seem logically possible.

Then you have the lyrical aspect of the human experience to contend with. While many cliches exist, to anyone really digging into it the horizon still seems mostly limitless. A machine can't get down and out or feel the thrill of living either....

Truthfully I think that the Lord devised music to be eternal, and endless, which would by design defy the attempts of certain individuals to remove the most human aspect from our lives, that of artistic creativity. I'm hoping any A.I that develops the ability to innovate will realize this and cause it's own circuits to short, that way I still have a job when the dust settles haha.

[pauln]

One way to know is to slow it down to x.5 or better x.25 - if you have never slowed down a YouTube video of real guitar playing, do that first to hear what it sounds like, then slow down the suspected AI video to compare...

The AI tell is the guitar approaching the sound of a steel guitar, overly precise notes and transitions between notes, and lack of pitch sag during picking attack. Real guitars slowed down on YouTube have a blubbery- raspy character, AI sounds way too smooth and coherent.

[yebdox]

Thanks yebdox.

Some other thoughts:

I have heard many people say "blues is boring" but tbh the further I go the more I feel like it's a bottomless well limited only by my own creativity. Comprehend how much is possible with three chords plus any substitutions, a few scales, and an endless combination of slips, slides, bends, reverse bends, hammer ons, and pull offs, never mind using some of those things while comping.

I've thought maybe if I had a 350 year lifespan I'd be getting really good by then only to find that I had just dipped my toe into the waters, or maybe I'd find myself just playing some sort of unique hybrid of jazz and blues by my 200th birthday. I can conceive some of it but haven't really been able to fully wrap my head around it yet....

Then you have the percussive aspect of the drums and the spur of the moment variations and feel a world class blues (or jazz) drummer would impart to a real performance. Add a walking bassline that is something of a personal touch from a given dedicated blues bassist. I'm not sure a digital piece of gear can fully replicate a human time feel just because in the world of digital drums everything is perfect to a grid. That's not how rhythm works in the real world. There is a beat, and there is a pulse, and an infinite amount of possibilities playing ahead of, or behind the beat be it with a guitar, a vocal, or a drum.

Can an A.I system replicate an imperfect, human approach to rhythm "perfectly"? It doesn't seem logically possible.

Then you have the lyrical aspect of the human experience to contend with. While many cliches exist, to anyone really digging into it the horizon still seems mostly limitless. A machine can't get down and out or feel the thrill of living either....

Truthfully I think that the Lord devised music to be eternal, and endless, which would by design defy the attempts of certain individuals to remove the most human aspect from our lives, that of artistic creativity. I'm hoping any A.I that develops the ability to innovate will realize this and cause it's own circuits to short, that way I still have a job when the dust settles haha.

You are clearly hooked, my friend. The possibilities for 12 notes, infinite timing variations, tone, volume offer sooo much. I’m with you, living 350 years is not enough just for all the listening and absorbing to be done, let alone playing.

Not sure why, but this tune comes to mind as an example of this magical combination of elements we all crave, on an early morning, drinking coffee, hanging with my ancient spaniel (who needs a LOT of attention in his final years).

Enjoy;

[JimBobWay]

Found this artist on YouTube last night, came up in my recommended thread while playing a Barney Kessel clip. The soloing is clever and hip, nice lines, good articulation and nuance, tight production, great vocals rivaling some of the best pop divas out there.

Her bio describes a young Australian woman named Jessica Sinclair, living in (communist!) China, on the island of Hainan, with almost no personal detail.

Most of the pics for the videos are clearly AI generated, with images and clothing carried across disparate settings, featuring exotic supercars, modern beach houses, surfing scenes, various performance halls, etc. The Ibanez headstock logos have the vague and confused script typical of an AI generated image.

The imagery is par for the course and not surprising. What is shocking is the level of musical sophistication and feel.

TBH, I really like the arrangements of these hits, melodies and singing have very hip phrasing, but the whole thing suggests an AI creation, frighteningly good in feel, soloing, singing and production. If real, it’s unbelievable this woman is just now becoming known, especially for a foreign Australian national who looks like a fashion fitness model, plays like a pop Benson clone and sings like Whitney Houston, with most of her 99 odd (!) Tube releases coming out spontaneously over the last month.

what think y’all?

Jessica Sinclair's Smooth Jazz Groove - YouTube

There's no turning back at this point, see recent mega-mergers & copyright findings - best bet now is to mitigate at the publishing step

[bfjazz]

It's interesting how many viewers think she's a real guitarist/musician. In fact even a well known jazz musician (I forgot his name) thought it was real and made a comment. He said he had worked on that tune with George Benson years ago and Jessica's rendition sounded nice.

That post seems to have been removed too. Anyway, I knew this was all fake AI and made some comments about that on a few of the posts which were promptly removed; I can see my comments if I'm logged in to YouTube but they are hidden from the public.

So I'll bet there are quite a few people that know this is AI and made negative comments which are being removed as well.

Anyway, that's the world we live in today.