JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 9) - Dolphin Dance

[kris]

This solo by Herbie Hancock is brilliant!

[kris]

This the approach I am going with. Got the melody down tonight, would like to be comfortable enough to post something before the week is out. I can’t make heads or tails of much of the harmony, but the melody should provide a scaffolding on which to build.

Don't worry and try to record something.
I've been recording my versions for a week and I'm still dissatisfied.
I have to admit that I prefer to listen to performances other than my own.
Good luck.

[TOMMO]

Happened on this one:

[Dutchbopper]

Happened on this one:

That is the quintessential guitar version of the tune IMHO. Nver heard a guitar take I like better ....

DB


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[Dutchbopper]

You can take the tune out of bop but you can't take the bop out of DB!

Nice take, great swinging relaxed lines. And great track (I assume it's a track, sounds like you playing both guitar parts? Or was this recorded with a band and another guitarist?)

It’s a backing with real playing. Thanks.

DB


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[Dutchbopper]

Hi DB,
Nice to see you on Virtual JAM.
Great playing with a lot of great jazz lines.
Could you tell us a secret how long have you known this tune?
Maybe in your answer there will be a recipe for the less initiated guitarists...
Best
Kris

Thanks Kris. Though I have known the tune for many years, this was my first serious attempt at recording it. Usually I prefer the older, more bop oriented tunes. But my trio (trio Chet) forces me to play more hard bop and modal stuff because that is what the other guys like too.

My approach on improvising over more modern tunes is the same though. I play the same bop oriented stuff. Because that is what I hear in my head. I did have a good look at the changes on this tune though. Many standards I just play without looking at the changes but that did not work for this tune. Modal and more contemporary harmonies require way more effort on my part. But when I get the changes it usually works out fine and play my stuff over them.

DB


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[kris]

Happened on this one:

Tommo,
Thanks for the link.
Howard Roberts-brilliant guitarist and teacher.I have some his books.
I don't know if there are any versions of other respected guitarists.

[kris]

Thanks Kris. Though I have known the tune for many years, this was my first serious attempt at recording it. Usually I prefer the older, more bop oriented tunes. But my trio (trio Chet) forces me to play more hard bop and modal stuff because that is what the other guys like too.

My approach on improvising over more modern tunes is the same though. I play the same bop oriented stuff. Because that is what I hear in my head. I did have a good look at the changes on this tune though. Many standards I just play without looking at the changes but that did not work for this tune. Modal and more contemporary harmonies require way more effort on my part. But when I get the changes it usually works out fine and play my stuff over them.

DB


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Thank you for your detailed reply.
Dolphin Dance is a specific piece, the more I practice it I don't know what to play.
Best
Kris

[grahambop]

Tommo,
Thanks for the link.
Howard Roberts-brilliant guitarist and teacher.I have some his books.
I don't know if there are any versions of other respected guitarists.

Jimmy Raney had a go at it (solo starts about 4:30):

[grahambop]

Also Doug Raney:

[Reg]

Yea some beautiful posts... love it all.

Peter... thanks, it's just another way to use tension release. The Blues thing being the release.

The other aspect... Many players connect notes and then fill in the space, embellishments or whatever they do. I generally also connect notes but I connect and frame those notes with chords. Almost like using licks between target notes. I just have licks that have patterns that imply chords or harmonic references. Just like chords imply harmonic references, so do modal note collection. Modal Chords have different diatonic organization.

And just like using Chords and Subs, Modal harmony or modal chords have Subs.

You then start using Chord patterns, (and modal chord patterns), with Functional movement, the organization of note movement and chord movement with Functional organization etc..

Yea I guess it starts to get to be to much etc... But all that BS is just basic music playing personally... I mean if someone through an arrangement of Dolphin Dance in Gbmin on a gig ... I would just play it. Like playing a blues in any key, you just play. With no chart... I would need to think, transpose etc, still just play but I would be thinking ahead more.
Anyway... lookin forward to more tunes.

[mr. beaumont]

We've had some really great takes and discussions on this one.

I've got next week's tune picked out, I think. We haven't done a real slow ballad yet, so why not?

[John A.]

Jimmy Raney had a go at it (solo starts about 4:30):

There's also a live version of this with Jimmy Raney and Al Haig on an album called "Strings Attached" (which also has Doug on one cut). I have that on vinyl from back in the day, and it was actually my introduction to the tune (doesn't seem to have made it on to youtube).

John

[TOMMO]

I've got next week's tune picked out, I think. We haven't done a real slow ballad yet, so why not?

Oh yeah! I've been waiting for that, something like "Idle Moments" for example - looking forward to it!

[ragman1]

real slow

This should be interesting...

[ragman1]

[christianm77]

Okay I feel I have somewhat started to learn this thing. Thought play a little against type and go a bit more contemporary/floaty. Wanted to try to do it without chordal backing as well... Thank you Mr Sunnybass

That last chord before Dm7b5 G7 at the end though - hmmm. It doesn't sound like any of the chords on any of the charts lol. Notice I just don't play it.

[EDS]

I haven't been here in ages but I.saw this thread and decided to suck it up and finally dig into this tune more. What voicing does everyone play for the last chord of the G pedal? Also the 2nd to last chord in the form?

[christianm77]

I hear Herbie play x x x 13 11 11

in the top of his chord.

[EDS]

Sound like there could be an E natural on the D string 14th fret too. He rolls that particular chord during the head but I still can't make it out. That voicing makes it hard to play chord melody though.

[christianm77]

Sound like there could be an E natural on the D string 14th fret too. He rolls that particular chord during the head but I still can't make it out. That voicing makes it hard to play chord melody though.

Yeah I hear that too. Doesn’t work to put it next to the Eb. So we are in C7#9/Eb territory but that doesn’t sound right as a guitar grip. I hear more like Abmaj9addb6/Eb

[ragman1]

the last chord of the G pedal? Also the 2nd to last chord in the form?

Depends entirely which version you're using. As usual :-)

[grahambop]

I don’t think these chords ever sound that good on the guitar anyway. Herbie knows how to voice them on the piano so they sound ok somehow.

The Bb13b9/Eb I play as x66787. Or x66767. Herbie plays some diminished stuff here in his solo, so I think that upper structure can be seen as a diminished sound too.

For the Abmaj7#5/Eb, I have been playing x6555x, it’s easy and gets near enough. Also voice leads quite well into the final G7 chord.

The last chord on the G pedal in the middle of the tune, I play as 3x123x. It’s a bit like Herbie is anticipating the next chord (F7sus) i.e. the upper structure is a kind of F7 (or F13) but still sitting on the G pedal. Again he makes this sound more natural on the piano than it comes out on the guitar.

Herbie is a harmony wizard, with magic fingers. We guitarists can’t compete!

[EDS]

Depends entirely which version you're using. As usual :-)

Which version of the recording you mean?

[christianm77]

I don’t like x6555x :-(

Mind you I don’t like any of the other options either haha