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Description paragraph beneath the specs reads "3-inches deep". No doubt more accurate.
Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
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02-02-2013 11:07 AM
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My ES-175 Reissue (2001) is about 3 7/16" deep all around and not 3" deep as stated in a previous post. I've never seen an ES-175 that was only 3" deep.
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Well, that (3") is what is written in the Gibson's specifications, Originally Posted by StevieB
The body is a comfortable 16-inches wide, 20-inches long and 3-inches deep
but the website might be inaccurate as well.
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I saw it on the website too. Another Gibson QC issue. Originally Posted by Jazz_175
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I would never swap my PM 100 for one of those,neither for a 175....
By the way,the "puny" MIC PM35,it's worth any penny it costs,I would be glad if soemone who "actually tried it" could confirm that( or the opposite of course) ,since many people just talks out of someone else's words often
( or magazine readings,or web rumours for instance...)
I would not care much about the "real" Pat's guitar/s,it may have stamped Ibanez on the headstock,but I'm pretty sure Linda Manzier did it!
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It seems you are quite right. I just measured my 175 and I find 8.7 cm depth which, converted in inches, gives 3.4 inches, which is about 3 7/16 inches. Originally Posted by StevieB
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Originally Posted by rpguitar 
Regarding the pickup, it's physically in the same place. Pat's guitar (as pictured from that concert) has 20 frets. The ones pictured in catalogs and so on have 22 frets. The pickup is flush with the end of the neck when there are 22 frets, and when there are only 20 frets, there's a gap between the neck and the pickup - where the remaining frets would go. Tone quality should be the same. Why the difference between the marketed product and what Pat plays, I don't know.
I did ....... in post #15 !Gobsmacking headslapping brilliant observation! Why didn't we think about that?
Apparently Pat chose a body and a neck he liked at the factory and they put them together for him into that blond prototype
That new PM200 looks the closest prod Ibz guitar yet to that prototype (although 22 fret not 20 fret)
doesn't matter .......... the PU is in the right place (24th fret)
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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
Is that unclear ?Thats Pats old prototype Ibanez made for pat from a FG100 body with 'prestige' neck he liked I believe
All these 3 guitars have the PU under the 24th fret position
they just have different nos of frets 20 or 22
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OMG
people would die for an inch difference in body width,or half of it, in the pickup position....
That's what makes the big difference....
There was also a very big disquisition,somewhere,about the exact location of the cigarette burning mark,in the Eric Clapton Replica,headstock, made by the Fender Custom Shop....wow!
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Looks like Ibanez is really getting deep into the consumer jazz guitar market. They have a new 7string Archtop as part of the Artcore/expressive series and the Whole tone amp. And I see they have Mark Whitfield endorsing along with Pat Metheny,John Scofield and George Benson, that's a pretty strong line up of internationally acclaimed jazz guitarists and each with their own unique style and sound.I know they have done archtops for a long time but it looks like they have realized a lot of guys want nice archtop guitars that don't cost more than $2,500. I had an Artcore ag75 that got destroyed in Hurricane Katrina it was a really nice guitar (though I hated the stupid headstock lightning bolt shazam thingy) I see they have changed the headstock logo which is a good thing in my opinion. I am hoping to try out the 7string it is around $800 which is a great price point.If it plays intonated I will definitely be buying one. Anyhow kudos to Ibanez.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound right at 3" for an ES175. It could just be a typo. Originally Posted by StevieB
Hmm. They could also be talking about the deepest possible depth at the highest part of the arched top, etc., at the 'center' of the guitar.
How odd to start using that as a new standard, but I have actually seen some other guitars recently being advertised by measuring them in this way. How odd that they were stressing that center depth, and that the side depth seemed almost secondary. (Sorry, but I don't recall where I saw this.)Last edited by ooglybong; 02-04-2013 at 02:27 PM.
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Yeah, I am impressed with Ibanez' 'sudden' burst of interest and activity in their jazz-oriented stuff. Originally Posted by eddy b.
First we had the Wholetone amp a year+ ago (got one, love it) and now these Artstar and Artcore Expressionist archtop designs.
Ben Monder is shown here endorsing their newest semi model, the AS153, in an interview along with Mark Whitfield's for the AF151. (BTW, GC has them both advertised in their newest mailer ad for $999 w/case.)
http://www.ibanez.co.jp/usa/news/f_p...TAR/index.html
I'm going to want to try these new ones out, yeah, even that 7-string, the Artcore Expressionist AFJ957. I've never played a 7-string before, and this could be at just the price point to somehow justify another experiment. Gulp. I don't need any more guitars.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the lightning bolt, so a return to a more vintage logo is welcomed. I've gotta say, though, that Metheny must actually like (or be OK with) the bolt, or it wouldn't be going out like that. (Or maybe Ibanez is simply trying to match Pat's current guitar for his fans. It's got the bolt, too, right?) BTW, I played a PM35 a few years back, and it was great. FWIW.
So I say good for Ibanez, and good for jazz guitar.
Last edited by ooglybong; 02-04-2013 at 03:24 PM.
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Oh wow nice looks really great, like what Pat really uses, nice. Those are gonna sell like hotcakes
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I actually prefer the pm120. Its body is narrower so, I guess, less prone to feedback and more confortable (to me at least)
to play.
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All I know is I gotta get me one of those
. The guy is my favorite player, a true musical genius, a living legend already, and I'm sure a very wealthy man even though he's not the type to flaunt it. Living proof of how far talent, a vision, and dedication to your craft can take you. Love his music.
Last edited by Double 07; 02-07-2013 at 06:43 PM.
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I've owned several PM100 and PM120 guitars. IMO, they are dark and muddy sounding. I understand why pat never played them. I tried swapping the pickups out for brighter pickups and it made no difference. The guitar's construction makes it sound dark. When I called Ibanez customer service about it, they told me that maple is a dark sounding wood, lol. So much for the experts....
Anyway, if this guitar sounds like a 175 it'd be really cool but my thought is that if you want a 175 you should just play a gibson because that's what he was going for and his 175 sounded amazing.
Originally Posted by peterpanico
I would never swap my PM 100 for one of those,neither for a 175....
By the way,the "puny" MIC PM35,it's worth any penny it costs,I would be glad if soemone who "actually tried it" could confirm that( or the opposite of course) ,since many people just talks out of someone else's words often
( or magazine readings,or web rumours for instance...)
I would not care much about the "real" Pat's guitar/s,it may have stamped Ibanez on the headstock,but I'm pretty sure Linda Manzier did it!
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Ah, but doesn't the new guitar have extra frets taking up that space, so maybe the pickup placement is the same. Yes? Originally Posted by docbop
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yes, this was mentioned several times. Buy a 175. Cheaper (used) and will sound more like his early recordings where his sound was amazing.
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Well Excuuuuuse....Meeeee! Originally Posted by jzucker
Seriously, I should know by now not to reply before reading the whole thread.
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I've had that tailpiece on a few guitars - I like it. Both the look and the tension. But they should definitely lose the Kiss headstock inlay.
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Managed to try one of these guitars out in the UK and it sounds incredible! Great craftsmanship as always with MIJ guitars.
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i've owned a bunch of GB10s, PM100s, PM120s, GB12, GB100, GB200, you name it. They all were very good guitars. Yet, not a single one of them sounded incredible. They were very good, working class gigging guitars. But I still think a good 175 has a better tone than any of their plywood guitars and if you look around used and don't mind budgeting for a fret level, the heritage guitars have a better tone too. I think the ibanez guitars were great deals about 10 years ago but with the rising price of the yen relative to the dollar, they are no longer the deal they used to be. $3500 for a benson or metheny guitar is outrageous IMO. They are very nice guitars and certainly better made than the many of the current crop of budget chinese guitars but I haven't heard one that sounds incredible unless benson or metheny is playing it!
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I have no experience with PM guitars but played several GBs (and Scofields) in the past and agree with Jack - very good guitars but never played one that amazed me. And I would expect that at that price point... My 60s X-500 was just a little more expensive (with lots of mods) than a new GB and is MUCH better.
On Pat - I am sure the guitars Ibanez sends him are amazing and very close to his 175 otherwise he would not use them. But what you get in the stores is probably very different... I am no expert in his sound but I am not sure his change of sound from bright to dark is guitar related, maybe he just wanted it that way? In Rejoicing or Q&A he still uses the 175 and his sound is quite darker than on Bright Size Life (as on the clip you posted)... On Trio Live he already uses the Ibanez and I find his sound there brightest and more open that on Rejoicing and Q&A.So maybe it's more his eq taste than the guitar? I think a darker sound helps to soft his right hand sound which is something he likes. And allows him to have a fat sound with light picks, light attack and sort of light strings, which is not easy. Well just my two cents on that... He produces his albums so heavily that I am positive he would have a bright sound even if the Ibanez is dark and muddy, if he wanted to have.
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Got real close to PMs gear back in 1990. I went to Villa Montalvo as it was called in 1990 two nights in a row to see Pat as a sideman on the Parallel Realities tour. They open the venue pretty early as they sell wine and dinner there. I took the two days off I had tickets for. They allowed cameras as long as there was no flash attached to the camera, you could take pictures to the end of the 3rd song. So I went in early with my office mate's olympus and shot all these photos of Pats gear until Carolyn his guitar tech sort of shooed me away fearing I'd actually TOUCH something. LOL...
Notice that Pat's 175 has binding on the headstock, I am sure at some point he had the guitar worked over (like he had one of his synth guitars renecked) and the binding went on. I believe that 175s don't have headstock binding, I sure looked at my share of them, even ones from the mid 50s era like Pat's. Back in 1990 that 175 had more gaffer's tape holding it together. I think you can see some in this shot...
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On his 175 and on Q&A he simply turned the tone control down. Too much IMO...
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