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Do you think it's at all possible that you're not as well informed about Covid as you think you are?
Originally Posted by DawgBone
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01-15-2024 09:00 PM
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I would hazard a wild guess that he's as informed as he wants to be, or ever will be.
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A different topic, but it rings a bell. E. E. Cummings, 1944. The bitter lesson of direct experience.
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I suppose it's possible but it's also completely irrelevant to me. I am an all or nothing personality. Once I decide on a pathway I follow to it's end, for better or for worse. I have already made my decision to not live in fear because that isn't living at all to me. I'd rather be dead than cower behind a stinky mask or subject myself to an endless stream of boosters. sgosnell was correct, I will not be swayed and I don't care. So save yourself some time. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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DawgBone, are you scaring the forum with your conservative views?
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I'm just venting over years of hustling forever changed in a moment because supposed live music supporters (and musicians) chose to irrationally support shutting down live music instead of voluntarily staying home. It's indefensible. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Bat shit crazy isn’t conservative. Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
The NIH database does have many articles on smoking/nicotine/COVID. Most widely debunk an early 2020 paper citing a small non-scientific report from Chinese hospitals that noted smokers seemed underrepresented among COVID patients. The 2020 paper, and others, speculated about how nicotine may compete for space in your tissues. Subsequent studies have found no such under-representation and in fact found smokers had worse outcomes. There are also plenty of articles on the effectiveness of masks.
OTOH, I saw a Facebook post from a radio personality interviewing a former CDC whistleblower who told us that while working as a temp one week he discovered that the government doesn’t want us to know that you can stop COVID and defeat the mind control devices turning kids trans by running naked in the snow with you underpants on your head.
There is no snow where I live, so it’s all up to DogBone now.
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Regardless of that, I do notice a big difference between the US and the parts of Europe that I'm familiar with, in terms of the relationship to Covid. Live has gone back to pretty much normal here and it's become just a bit less rare to see people wearing facemasks in public (the videos Jonathan Stout posts of his life dance events are somewhat of a contrast with that). Self-tests are still available but no longer supplied for free to workers in contact with the public or at high-visibility shelfs in pharmacies. I think it's a bit easier to work from home in case of doubt when you have a cough but I am not really following that. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Do you think it's at all possible that you're not as well informed about Covid as you think you are? Originally Posted by DawgBone
So DB could have a point when he refers to fear - it'd fit with the views from Michael Moore's films (if those have ever been debunked I missed the memo), which probably also explain the inacceptable (to me) amount of fearmongering we've had to live through during what I'll always call the Corona Circus.
But this is just an observation. I'm perfectly well aware that the disease was a real threat at some point, that "Long Covid" isn't just between the ears and that there's no indication that that form won't make new patients.
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I am trying to figure out how a little piece of cloth or a 30 second shot equals "living in fear." Honestly, I'm a hell of a lot harder to scare than that. If a mask helps, or at least helps me not infect others, when needful, I'll wear it. With the millions upon millions of people who got the vaccine and boosters with no ill effects, I think the safety is clear. With the collapse of the pandemic coinciding closely with the wide adoption of the vaccines, I'm convinced they work. I'm not afraid of a shot, for heaven sakes!
Living in fear is imagining dark conspiracies in smoke-filled rooms where people plot installing microchips in vaccines to track us... that, my friends, is living in fear. Some people are actually just afraid to have their ego challenged.
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Willingly giving up your source of employment. Obediently staying home as ordered. Avoiding public places and close contact with friends and family. Telling unvaxxed friends and family they aren't welcome in your home. Criticizing others for not doing as you do. Not getting out there and living because you might catch a disease that 99.7% of people will survive. Those are all fear driven behaviors. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
The pandemic that never was has also not "collapsed" as you put it.The fearmongers aren't working overtime on the tv set most people are addicted to so your perceptions of what is happening currently is skewed. Infections are on the rise, even among the vaccinated. C-19 vaccinations don't provide long term protection so big pharma has now trapped you in an endless cycle of boosters. A damn good business model. Most people get paid to take part in medical experiments but fear has driven people to work pro-bono on this one.
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Masks may have downsides. Especially for children. There is a lack of evidence that they are effective against a respiratory virus. Basically, there’s every kind of evidence you want to find, and no definitive evidence at all. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
The vax is questionable. Is it even really a vaccine? Seems like more of an experiment.
The same government that told you Covid didn’t come from a lab, and that treatments such as ivermectin were a dangerous de-wormers, and which pooh-poohed natural immunity, is the same government that is trying to sell you on the vaccines — with a pharmaceutical industry that is protected from any accountability.
I think with what is at stake for different people in different situations, people can disagree on most of these points. This means we shouldn’t necessarily label people antivaxers and we also shouldn’t deride them for taking extra precautions.
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I'm not interested in what any one government says. Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
I'm interested in a scientific consensus (i.e. the majority) among experts in the field. Anything else, unless you're an expert yourself, is just not relying on science.
You can support anything you want by relying on outliers, but not when relying on consensus.
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remember this one, dont shoot the messenger.
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Also this one:
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I am sure there were people, even government officials or scientists who made hyperbolic statements about the benefits of DUI laws or wearing seat belts at the time. I'm sure you can find clips of people claiming that these laws would virtually end traffic accident deaths or reduce them by 99%. So what? It doesn't mean these precautions weren't good ideas and ultimately beneficial and justified.
Last edited by Tal_175; 01-17-2024 at 05:08 PM.
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Likewise, you have a pretty low probability of facing a home invasion or even a potentially lethal assault on the streets, but many people keep firearms in their homes or on their persons to defend against such violence. Why have firearms if you have such a low probability of actually needing to shoot someone in a situation of grave danger? But despite the low odds, many have guns for just that reason. I don't argue with that, just like I don't argue against vaccination and periodically using a mask where there might be vulnerable or highly infectious people around. Originally Posted by Tal_175
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That's a poor analogy. Why keep guitars if you have a low probability of getting a gig? Because they can also be collectible, a pleasure to play with, and can make a great wall decoration or conversation piece. The same can be said for guns. No one does that with vaccines and masks but a couple guys on this forum are making me start to re-think that. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I have done my due diligence and taken the jabs. I am glad that I did, but I am with Dawgbone on most of the Covid authoritarianism. People who do not want to take a vaccine or wear a mask in public places should be free to decide what is best for themselves. Closing America down was, IMO, un-American. Businesses were lost and livelihoods were destroyed. Here in California we had vaccine mandates (you were not allowed to enter restaurants and bars here in San Francisco with out showing your vaccine "papers) and mask mandates aplenty. You had to wear your mask to enter the restaurant or bar, but could take it off while you ate and drank. That was some seriously stupid shit. I am still mad as hell about it. There is not much I can do about all of this liberal fascism except cast a vote this November..... Originally Posted by DawgBone
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so you're gonna vote for real fascism instead? ok, boomer. Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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And there you have it. Not what is best for America, what is best for me. I, me, mine! A true patriot. Originally Posted by Stringswinger
And let’s not pretend it is motivated about concern for people’s livelihood. If you don’t care if people are getting sick and dying, you don’t care about other people, full stop.
Oh, and as someone who knew people who died in the pandemic, I too am “still mad as hell about it”.
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nothing ever changes
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"One of Hollister’s colleagues in the Michigan House called the seat belt bill “a pretty good lesson in mass hysteria created by a corporate-controlled media” and warned that the government would outlaw smoking next. "
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Yeah, but forcing people to wear seatbelts did not lead to lockdowns, job losses and the world economy tanking along with the inevitable inflation caused by unprecedented money printing.
Just sayin'....
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neither did forcing people to wear masks. and yet the mandate to wear them is likened to fascism (in this very thread), just like the seat-belt mandate was likened to hitler's policies. Originally Posted by princeplanet
and to add to the irony these are the same people that have more sympathy for putin or the hizbollah than for our western freedoms, and are longing for fascism in their own country. how fucked up is that?
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
You have the solution confused with the cause here. The masks didn't cause lockdowns, COVID-19 did. It came first and the masks were a way to try and keep it under control.
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Nobody gets a concealed carry permit and a small 9mm because the gun is a collector's piece. I"m not talking about all the other reasons to have firearms, but the common appeal to self-protection, which i fully support as a former C&R FFL holder and avid shooter myself. Originally Posted by DawgBone
I also have some very cool looking masks I could show you... ;-)
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