A jazz artist or a jazz musician?

[AllanAllen]

OK. I'll bite. Is Kenny G an artist?

Yes, our opinions on an artists work do not invalidate them.

There are many highly regarded guitarists I don’t care for at all, but just because I don’t enjoy their music it doesn’t make them not an artist.

A kid bashing a guitar is still learning, a budding artist. Sonic Youth purposefully bashing their guitars are artists.

[kris]

Hmm, I'm not sure... Oh! Did I hear Pat Metheny say Kenny G is a great artist?!?

It was probably more complicated.I think it was all about the style.
KG was very popular in hotel speakers. "Background music".

[ragman1]

Did I hear Pat Metheny say Kenny G is a great artist?!?

Perhaps he is to his fans. And there we have it.

[Hep To The Jive]

It's all very simple. If you create/perform your own music, then you're an artist. If you only play jazz standards/other people's music you're just a musician. And no, your solos don't count as a composition. Specifically in jazz every visible artist also a great musician by default. You can't start your career by only playing your own shit, not in jazz. So, that's a main distinction.

[frabarmus]

Artist or musician?

Giving a CLASSICAL GUITAR to strangers - YouTube

[Stevebol]

Not to be a fuss bucket but you can't see or touch music so I don't see musicians as 'artists' but that's the way it is.

[kris]

Not to be a fuss bucket but you can't see or touch music so I don't see musicians as 'artists' but that's the way it is.

So if I paint something, I'll already be an artist.

[frabarmus]

It was probably more complicated.I think it was all about the style.
KG was very popular in hotel speakers. "Background music".

I've heard this, too as background music in supermarket speakers and TV advertisements!!

[Stevebol]

So if I paint something, I'll already be an artist.

Yes. My tenant is an artist. A painter. He's also a guitar player.

[kris]

I've heard this, too as background music in supermarket speakers and TV advertisements!!

Agreed... but some prefer the sound of the KG saxophone.

[Christian Miller]

No. Kenny G would be down for Funky Summertime.

[RLetson]

Yes, "artist" is a word with a range of meanings, but if we're talking about art, then anybody who produces art is an artist. This is Aesthetics 101, with a generous dose of Semantics 101. It might not be very good art (whatever that means), but the intentional production of an object or performance for some purpose beyond the merely utilitarian--for enjoyment or appreciation--is art. And even utilitarian objects can have an artistic dimension, either in overall design or via application of some decorative element--a fancy belt buckle or brooch.



The tricky semantic territory is generally those objects whose production requires a hard-to-replicate design or technique, especially when application seems to depend on intuition more than by-the-book protocols and/or shows finesse--"What a welder--he's a real artist."

BTW, a major moment of understanding came when I realized that teaching English is a performing art.

(Stringswinger made a similar point much more economically, but I can't restrain myself.)

[Aiq]

“She's got everything she needs
She's an artist, she don't look back”

[AllanAllen]

It's all very simple. If you create/perform your own music, then you're an artist. If you only play jazz standards/other people's music you're just a musician. And no, your solos don't count as a composition. Specifically in jazz every visible artist also a great musician by default. You can't start your career by only playing your own shit, not in jazz. So, that's a main distinction.

Ridiculous.

Segovia isn’t an artist?

By your criteria, how is a painter an artist? They merely use existing colors to make existing shapes?

Michelangelo merely used existing stone to copy the shape of a man for Adam.

Ridiculous.

[frabarmus]

Art or humor? (humor is art)

[Christian Miller]

Ridiculous.

Segovia isn’t an artist?

By your criteria, how is a painter an artist? They merely use existing colors to make existing shapes?

Michelangelo merely used existing stone to copy the shape of a man for Adam.

Ridiculous.

Yeah Segovia would not entertain Funky Summertime for one moment. Artist.

See, it checks out.

The connected criterion is - is there a price where you will entertain the possibility of Funky Summertime?

For me I fear the answer is yes. I am not an artist.


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[joe2758]

For your consideration: Mustang Sally?

[kris]

Sometimes people use the verbal term: ."..But you are an artist..."
I'm not sure if this term is used all over the world...
It is not about art.

[ragman1]

Segovia isn’t an artist?
.

Exactly. Of course he is, but that's what I'm saying, the whole thing is so subjective.

Except if you're a promoter and call them all 'artists' :-)

[kris]

Or maybe a real artist is the person who gets a medal or a distinction for his work....?

[frabarmus]

A jazz musician plays jazz, a jazz artist paints jazz musicians...

[Hep To The Jive]

Ridiculous.

Segovia isn’t an artist?

By your criteria, how is a painter an artist? They merely use existing colors to make existing shapes?

Michelangelo merely used existing stone to copy the shape of a man for Adam.

Ridiculous.

Ok, any jazz greats you can name who never performed and recorded their original music?

[Hep To The Jive]

Yeah Segovia would not entertain Funky Summertime for one moment. Artist.

See, it checks out.

The connected criterion is - is there a price where you will entertain the possibility of Funky Summertime?

For me I fear the answer is yes. I am not an artist.


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I'll perform funky summertime for a beer and chips, my type is called a starving artist.

[kris]

Ok, any jazz greats you can name who never performed and recorded their original music?

Chet Baker-he played jazz standards all his life.
Similarly, Dexter Gordon-but I'm not sure.
They were generally not composers.
Unless we treat their solos as some kind of 'compositions".

[Christian Miller]

Chet Baker-he played jazz standards all his life.
Similarly, Dexter Gordon-but I'm not sure.
They were generally not composers.
Unless we treat their solos as some kind of 'compositions".

Isn’t Fried Bananas a Dexter original?

I mean it’s a contrafact which is pretty close to a solo on a standard.


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