Fake Instagram Guitar

[Christian Miller]

I know this forum exists in the mid to late Ordovician era, but this may have come to your attention

Anyway, to expand on what Troy says, if I was doing what Giacomo was doing this would be my workflow (maybe there's faster ways):

1) find a video of some good guitar playing by a small creator, and rip their audio of video off internet using downloader+
2) use Moises to isolate guitar part
3) put into Logic, synch with the click
4) use audio to midi quantise to 16ths probably. (I use this to transcribe my own stuff quickly for videos.)
5) export as .xml and .wav file
6) import and use approximate 'OK seeming' tab on Musescore. (From the Troy video it seems that this wasn't very accurate in Giacomo's case.)
7) go back to the Logic, set up the new backing track and play guitar midi .wav through amp sim (as Troy indicates.)
8) practice miming up to speed
9) organise video shoot, hit the gym

Anyway - don't believe everything you see on the socials haha.

It's a bit rubbish because I've seen Alex Hutchings live for example, and he is every bit as he presents online as a live player. But for every proper player like him there's a question mark.... It messes up the pitch for everyone else. But AI is just around the corner on this. Ultimately, it's all about the live, and I'm glad that I'm remembering that this year.

Go to gigs!

[AllanAllen]

This is so puzzling, all that effort to “fake” playing, when he could have just practiced and done it for real. Really trying hard at the wrong thing.

[Christian Miller]

This is so puzzling, all that effort to “fake” playing, when he could have just practiced and done it for real. Really trying hard at the wrong thing.

That’s because you’d rather be an actual musician than an instagram influencer who happens to use the guitar as a prop. You see playing well as the reward, not the other stuff.

It’s not that much effort to do I don’t think, but it seems odd to me too. It’s seems boring, if nothing else. I’d rather practice and write music.

But as the YouTuber hbomberguy said in his epic video essay on plagiarism - it might seem odd to us that anyone might for example plagiarise a video game review, but uncreative people find it so hard to come up with anything new that they will gladly go to all this work to copy someone else’s work instead. The video is here if you haven’t seen it and need something to listen to for four hours. It’s good.

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[Mick-7]

Yeah, I understand there's a lot of this on YouTube and it's been going on a long time now. Then there's all the singers who need pitch correction software to sound decent.

[MinToyTot]

Not to mention otherwise-legitimate players who speed up their recordings by a couple percent in their editing software in order to seem that much more impressive to people who can't tell / don't care.

[MarkRhodes]

Levi Clay brought this to my attention.
Rick Beato has talked about too. Rick brought the guy in to interview but realized quickly the guy couldn't play well enough to perform on his podcast.

It's one thing to "lip synch" on guitar----there's a famous video of Wes doing it on a TV show---and nowadays many big productions are pre-recorded to guard against technical glitches during The Moment (-such as singing The Star Spangled Banner before a football game. Whitney Houston's famous performance of that was pre-recorded. Difference there, of course, is that Whitney could sing that well, and Wes could play that well.)

I don't think this is what "fake it till you make it" means.

[Woody Sound]

Did't he get some kind of guitar model named for him, then had it pulled? ICBW.

[Woody Sound]

(-such as singing The Star Spangled Banner before a football game. Whitney Houston's famous performance of that was pre-recorded. Difference there, of course, is that Whitney could sing that well, and Wes could play that well.)

My wife has sung "The Banner" at a couple of sports arenas/stadiums. She says it's extremely difficult to deal with the delay.

[AllanAllen]

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It’s funny because my roommate in college said I was the least imaginative person he’d ever met. I never let that stop me though.

[lawson-stone]

I want to know what that thing is on the neck that holds the phone so he can film the picking or fretting hand. That's pretty slick.

[MarkRhodes]

My wife has sung "The Banner" at a couple of sports arenas/stadiums. She says it's extremely difficult to deal with the delay.

It is. You can get an echo from a stadium announcer saying who is stepping up to the plate. For singing a slow song with long notes---it's crazy. A few unfortunate singers have learned this the hard way, by butchering a performance in front of thousands, some of whom are recording the embarrassment for future humiliation.

[James W]

What's an Instagram influencer?

Can't see the point in this whole charade... It's just a bit embarrassing, ultimately.

I do go to gigs, but also I'm not paranoid about this - I like to think the type of players and playing I see online are unlikely to be doing this - that's to say, I tend not to gravitate towards the kind of cheesy funk that Giacomo ripped off. I sense a bit of schadenfreude in Grady's video.

[pamosmusic]

The discourse on this has been a little annoying, but this video was great.

These fools were NOT ready for Troy Grady.

[zooms in on picking hand] "lol that's fake"

[djg]

Not to mention otherwise-legitimate players who speed up their recordings by a couple percent in their editing software in order to seem that much more impressive to people who can't tell / don't care.

like that tristano dude?

[jazznylon]

I came across neely's video on this, I think at one point he was showing how it was done but it just flew over my head. I appreciate mistakes now more than ever though

[Woody Sound]

I want to know what that thing is on the neck that holds the phone so he can film the picking or fretting hand. That's pretty slick.

[starjasmine]

I want to know what that thing is on the neck that holds the phone so he can film the picking or fretting hand. That's pretty slick.

https://troygrady.com/product/magnet/

[Hep To The Jive]

That cheesy looking guy with a backward cap annoyed me from the start. His videos were posted a lot here on WeChat channels, I took an immediate dislike. Maybe I don't dig that pseudo funk style either. I'm living in obscurity but at least I'm making an ok living the old fashioned musician way, playing live.

OTOH those tiktokers and instagramers if they making decent living just filming themselves playing guitar in their bedrooms, even using all kind of trickiries, I can see how it's tempting. Part of me thinking if I could do that I could be living in Thailand and have dream life still just playing guitar. Oh the life I've never led.

[grahambop]

There was some mention in the videos that he will be doing a concert tour in the USA. Presumably that will all be mimed and faked too.

[grahambop]

Reminds me of the Joyce Hatto affair (they even invented a fake conductor to go with the ripped-off recordings).

Joyce Hatto - Wikipedia

[Alter]

Lots of sped up and also midi played videos online, that seems to be the norm on speed playing these days, and people do build a strong internet presence this way, even in jazz. The strange thing about this guy was that he actually stole other peoples playing, had some software transcribe and play it and then presented it as his own! I mean, how unaware of internet can you be. It is only a matter of time till someone notices. Internet is a huge place, but also just a click away.

Going into all this trouble, and then learning the stuff well enough to mimic it... might as well learn to play your own!

[Christian Miller]

There was some mention in the videos that he will be doing a concert tour in the USA. Presumably that will all be mimed and faked too.

Going from the Troy Grady video it appears, in fact, no. He just hires a good band and doesn't solo much. We he hear his actual playing.

For me, the plagiarism is much more egregious than the miming - which is of course very common in visual presentations, and tidied up guitar is endemic/standard on social media. At this point I assume most things I hear on Instagram are prettied up unless it's real concert footage.

[Christian Miller]

Going into all this trouble, and then learning the stuff well enough to mimic it... might as well learn to play your own!

The thing is Alter you are a creative person and a really good guitar player. For people like yourself it's hard to imagine what it's like for people who can't create stuff. Even a pop-fusion guitar solo on a generic chord progression.

Imagine if you'd learned guitar just by learning songs from YouTube or something and never tried to write something of your own (for example.)

The thing I don't get is why you would then have the self delusion to embarrass yourself in front of Beato when you've been spending the past few years knowingly faking your playing. Bizarre. 9/10 times I think people end up buying into their own hype.

[John A.]

That’s because you’d rather be an actual musician than an instagram influencer who happens to use the guitar as a prop. You see playing well as the reward, not the other stuff.

It’s not that much effort to do I don’t think, but it seems odd to me too. It’s seems boring, if nothing else. I’d rather practice and write music.

But as the YouTuber hbomberguy said in his epic video essay on plagiarism - it might seem odd to us that anyone might for example plagiarise a video game review, but uncreative people find it so hard to come up with anything new that they will gladly go to all this work to copy someone else’s work instead. The video is here if you haven’t seen it and need something to listen to for four hours. It’s good.

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A notorious plagiarizer in the social sciences stole some of my father's research and published it in his own name in the 80s. He went on to do the same thing to a string of other scholars before being exposed in Nature magazine more than 20 years later. Why? Because he was narcissist thieving scumbag with a talent for fooling people about his abilities and intentions. I see no difference in the case we're talking about here.

[MarkRhodes]

The Magnet – Cracking the Code

I have one. They work. They fit some guitars better than others. The magnet clamps onto the ledge of neck: the wider that ledge, the more secure the clamp.