Moebius space

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

X= (2+tcoskv)cos2v
y= (2+t cos kv)sin2v
z= t sin kv

-1<t<1
0<v<Pi
an H.B composition
enjoy

[christianm77]

Can you do a Klein bottle? :-) On a Klein guitar for extra marks...

Haunting composition, I like it...

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Can you do a Klein bottle?

By separating the Klein bottle according to its plane of symmetry,you will obtain two Moebius spaces ;-)
So, you have to hear my composition twice Christian !

I don't have a Klein guitar,but a Steinberger GL3S of 1987 ;-)
cheers
HB

[christianm77]

Maybe I listen to it once forwards and once backwards?

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

good idea !

[Uffe Steen]

Im always looking foreward to hear your tunes
, and this one I liked even more.
So many refreshing sounds.
Thanks for sharing :-)

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Thanks for those kind words,my dear Uffe
:-)

[Uffe Steen]

Hi Again HB
Would you share your thoughts about the contents of this piece?
I think I hear that its a work around the augmented scale , maybe with chords you have extracted from that scale.
Once again it sounds so wonderful, and like yourself.

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Yes,it's a work around the augmented scale anc chords extracted from the scale.
You can see a big post around this scale in the theory forum of 04-13-2015.

As for the progression,I borrowed regions of Cmajor and of A major,following the Schoenberg principles of "clusters of related scales:see my post in theory forum of 11-20-2014.

C major Cluster
In the Schoenberg theory,C major scale (the Tonic scale) and Aminor scale(the relative minor of C)have 2 closely related major Keys and 2 closely minor Keys:

-Fmajor scale (subdominant scale) and Dminor scale (relative minor of F)
-G major scale (dominant scale) and Eminor scale (the relative minor of G)

Deeper in the Schoenberg's theory,
There are parallel minor regions of the C major scale,with their relative major regions:

Eb scale--Cm scale--C major scale
Ab scale--Fminor scale--F major scale
Bb major scale--G minor scale--G major scale

and parallel major regions of the C major scale,with their relative minor regions:

Cmajor scale--Aminor scale--Amajor scale--F#minor scale
Fmajor scale--Dminor scale--D major scale--F#minor scale
Gmajor scale--E minor scale-- E major scale--C# minor scale


For Moebius space,I took Cminor--Cmajor--Aminor--A major
and
E minor--E major

I choosed also fragments of the regions of Amajor scale,the same way.

The sheet has the followed harmony,with augmented scales of those scales:

A :C / C /Cm/Cm/G7/AmE7/ A/A/

A' :Am/Am/Dmin7b5/G7/Cm/B7/Em/E/

B :E/Em/Em/D#mG#7/C#/C#/C#m/C#mG7/

A :C/C/Cm/ Cm/Bm7b5E7/AmE7/A/A/

cheers
HB

[targuit]

Beautiful compositon, HB!

Given your interest in composing and apparently Schoenberg, could you recommend any formal texts by him or others that you find helpful in studying composition?

Also, from a technical point of view could you describe your signal chain here? I hear what sounds a bit like a synth pad.

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Hi Targuit !

Studying composition

-First of all,Peter Hertmans,musician and professor of jazz harmony,in several Belgian jazz schools;
-Arnold Schoeberg,theory of harmony,translated by Roy.E.Carter,University of California press,Berkeley,1959; revised edition 1969
-Traité d'harmonie du jazz, JP Couleau,Salabert,vol 1 and 2, foreword by Martial Solal1987
-Harmonie et improvisation en Jazz, J-R Clermont,Paul Beuscher,vol 1 and 2,1985
-Contemporary chord Khancepts,Steve Khan,Manhattan music,1996
-Advanced scale concepts in jazz guitar,Jean-Marc Belkadi, Hal Leonard,1994
-Modern method for jazz guitar,vol 1,2,3 Berklee series,1968
Javier Arau,Augmented and Diminished scales theory,Augmented Scale Theory ? Javier Arau



Signal chain for this tune

guitar--Rivera TBR1 effect loop--PDI-01 Palmer--Boss multiple jack--Eventide Eclipse,{prog Ring Taps Mod}--Eclipse Eventide H8000 fw,{prog Glorious Chrs Canyon,both Eventide have Midi Pedals--Roland mixer M120----

A) direct sound:two Reamp V2--Rivera return--two EVM12L speakers
B) recording:Roland M120 master out--sound card--Windows Movie Maker

cheers
HB

[targuit]

Thanks for the detailed and comprehensive response!

Again a lovely composition and beautiful recording. Is music your profession or avocation? I will certainly be listening to more of your recordings.

EDIT - Laughing...I just checked your bio - jazz musician and retired physician! Like me. I just hung up the stethoscope last fall. Endocrinology is a demanding field. To be honest I prefer playing music.

And astrophotography sounds fascinating.

I lived in Italy for over a decade. I miss it terribly, though I did meet my wife there. We may return in the next four or five years if I live that long. I miss civilization....

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

You could release that on vinyl, if you could find a way to make a record with only one side.

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

You could release that on vinyl, if you could find a way to make a record with only one side.

great idea Big daddy!!
I'll Check it !

But in order to make profitable this project,I suggest you to put one of your compositions on the "B" side of the vinyl

cheers
HB

[Uffe Steen]

Hi Again
Im so glad I asked you, thanks for sharing your insight.
Im looking foreward to check and study Moebius Space.
I have read your posts before, but here you change words to action, so it makes it even more interesting.
Cheers Uffe

[Vladan]

In general, I like your music. This piece, I think is ammong the better ones. Enjoyed it all the way!

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

Im looking foreward to check and study Moebius Space.

I' ll send you an e-mail this late afternoon Uffe

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

jazz musician and retired physician! Like me. To be honest I prefer playing music.

..as me Targuit!

What said Mark Kleinhaut elsewhere on this forum,the advantage to have another job wich yields money,especially if you have a family,that's you're more mind free to make music,without compromises.

I send you the URL of my astrophoto gallery:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/88448886@N02/

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

You could release that on vinyl, if you could find a way to make a record with only one side.

Hey BigDaddy!
I followed your suggestion,but the tuner refuse to read the vinyl,cause the strange form !!
I return to my idea: a normal vinyl with me on one side and you on the other,and---of course !!---
with our:

[neatomic]

that table would make a nice guitar (or two)!! haha

cheers

[kenbennett]

Both the table and the guitar would make nice trees.

H.B., that's a very listenable composition. Enjoyed it very much. As it progressed I wondered if the ending would be satisfying. When you hit the last chord it felt very stable. Nice work.

[neatomic]

Both the table and the guitar would make nice trees.

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but i'd bet the table is seasoned "old growth"!! haha

cheers

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

I wondered if the ending would be satisfying. When you hit the last chord it felt very stable.

It's normal,KB!
I had to go along the lenght of this space, and return to the starting point

[Hyppolyte Bergamotte]

i'd bet the table is seasoned "old growth"!! haha

The strangest thing is that ,after this pic,the table was abraded and revarnished by my luthier and friend,Paul Belgrado !

Bass of the Week: Paul Belgrado Stringed Instruments Custom AG #1