Night and Day

[acoustic_archtop]

I was thinking of the common Ab6/9 shape and lowered the top note to the melody note when I suggested it earlier

I'm not sure why the Ab works as the first chord. Prolly makes most sense to think of it as the tritone of d-7

[Mick-7]

I'm not sure why the Ab works as the first chord. Prolly makes most sense to think of it as the tritone of d-7

In Eb major, Dm7b5 is the VIIm chord, Fm6/7 is the IIm chord, and Abmaj7#11 is the IV chord.

So you can use variations of them interchangeably. In this case we have Dm11b5 (D-F-Ab-C-G) = Fm6/9 = Ab^13#11

[mr. beaumont]

I knew i had done this one before...apparently 12 years ago...

Not sure how much I like it...but i think I'll relearn it.

[joe2758]

I'm not sure why the Ab works as the first chord. Prolly makes most sense to think of it as the tritone of d-7

No, it comes from the natural c minor scale. Simple!

We are setting up c minor and then giving c major: night and day

[acoustic_archtop]

In Eb major, Dm7b5 is the VIIm chord, Fm6/7 is the IIm chord, and Abmaj7#11 is the IV chord.

So you can use variations of them interchangeably. In this case we have Dm11b5 (D-F-Ab-C-G) = Fm6/9 = Ab^13#11

Ahh, right. And the relative minor of Eb major is C Minor. Which is what we are setting up with the minor II-V-I. I missed that, thanx.

[acoustic_archtop]

No, it comes from the natural c minor scale. Simple!

We are setting up c minor and then giving c major: night and day

Yes, got it now. thanx.

[acoustic_archtop]

In Eb major, Dm7b5 is the VIIm chord, Fm6/7 is the IIm chord, and Abmaj7#11 is the IV chord.

So you can use variations of them interchangeably. In this case we have Dm11b5 (D-F-Ab-C-G) = Fm6/9 = Ab^13#11

For you kids at home playing along, here's another way to look at it, easy for my Pea Brain to understand it:

Key and function notwithstanding:

F-7 = Ab6

F-6 = D-7b5

If F-7 subs for F-6, then Ab6 subs for D-7b5

And so, in the key of C, for Night and Day, the first chord is written sometimes as D-7b5 or Ab6 or some variation.

Also...Ab6 = D-7b5b9 (rootless) so...to the ear, that's the comparison.

Writing it out, to me it would make more sense to write it as D-7b5b9 and not Ab6. If that was the specific harmony the arranger wanted. Then the fidelity of the function of the chord would be evident. In other words, if it's a II-V-I, show that.

[acoustic_archtop]

I knew i had done this one before...apparently 12 years ago...

Not sure how much I like it...but i think I'll relearn it.

Nice man. Re-record, would love to see version 2 after 12 years of playing.

[joe2758]

Having had a chance to play through the tune now, I actually like Ab dim7 with the G in the melody; just like the first chord of Stella. Not so modern sounding

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[Mick-7]

Hmm, a couple of other fake books have the first chord as Ab^7 (in the key of C). It's Dm7b5 in the Real Book but it is notorious for turning progressions into II-V's whenever possible. Makes me want to look up Cole Porter's original sheet music.

[acoustic_archtop]

Hmm, a couple of other fake books have the first chord as Ab^7 (in the key of C). It's Dm7b5 in the Real Book but it is notorious for turning progressions into II-V's whenever possible. Makes me want to look up Cole Porter's original sheet music.

You could play whatever you want. What would you play??????

[Mick-7]

For reference, here is Ralph Patt's vanilla chart.....

[mr. beaumont]

Sat down with it again today. Here's just the melody...

As far as Dm7b5 vs an Abmaj type chord, I say ¿porque no los dos?

Im glad the OP brought this tune up and if you like anything I do, feel free to steal it.

[joe2758]

If anyone cares, the first chord in the 1932 sheet music is Edim

So in C, C#dim to G7

And the bass would go C# D E

[mr. beaumont]

Very much interests me-- do you have a link? Id like to look at the whole thing.

[joe2758]

Yeah man, I used to literally buy these on ebay for way too much money

then I learned about this site here. Freakin amazing

Night and Day – Sheet Music Singer

[joe2758]

I'm sorry, all. I was incorrect those chords were the intro!

First chord straight up c min

[joe2758]

Last thing, Dick Hyman's changes have the Abmaj

[Christian Miller]

It’s Abmaj7


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[garybaldy]

I'm sorry, all. I was incorrect those chords were the intro!

First chord straight up c min

After the pick up of the chorus the 'first' chord is written as a Cb maj 7 in the piano part (Cb in the bass) going to Bb7 in the 2nd bar.
I tend to look these songs up on sheet music singer's youtube channel (unless you want to download the lead sheet).

[sgcim]

Yeah man, I used to literally buy these on ebay for way too much money

then I learned about this site here. Freakin amazing

Night and Day – Sheet Music Singer

WTF? It"s free?

BTW, I have few absolutes when it comes to subs for standards, but Night and Day has to start with a bVI Maj7 on the first beat of the A section. I agree with Mick about the overuse of the ii7 chord. When Bill Evans used ii7b5 for that, I realized that I was not going to be a BE imitator, like this pianist I used to play with, who made us use only BE changes, play BE tunes, and play standards that only BE played.

[joe2758]

It’s Abmaj7


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whelp there you have it, pack it in boys!

[garybaldy]

Oops! Sorry.

[joe2758]

After the pick up of the chorus the 'first' chord is written as a Cb maj 7 in the piano part (Cb in the bass) going to Bb7 in the 2nd bar.

Yeah you're right, it is easier to call it that than Ebmin/Cb! It was misleading that I called it "straight up c minor"

[mr. beaumont]

I think maybe the one thing we can agree on is that the verse blows?

Maybe?