Autumn Leaves me wondering

[Bobby Timmons]

Peace to you Jimmy Smith

Peace

[KingKong]

On a serious note Bruce Forman suggests that students learn tunes in two keys - standard and a fourth down. The latter suits most female singers.

Hasn't he been dead for years and wasn't he more of a dancer / TV presenter? What's he doing talking about jazz guitar?

[grahambop]

Hasn't he been dead for years and wasn't he more of a dancer / TV presenter? What's he doing talking about jazz guitar?

lol wrong Bruce mate (Forsyth).

[grahambop]

Here’s Bruce Forman - a very serious guy. Actually there is a slight resemblance...

[pauln]

Maybe worth some discussion on the confusion concerning key,
modulation, local key center, and CKT ("Chord Key Theory")...

[KingKong]

Here’s Bruce Forman - a very serious guy. Actually there is a slight resemblance...

Wtf?! More than a slight, that is Brucey hands down!

[Christian Miller]

Hasn't he been dead for years and wasn't he more of a dancer / TV presenter? What's he doing talking about jazz guitar?

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Well he was a big jazz fan, actually. Very much into Bill Evans - true fact.

[Christian Miller]

Wtf?! More than a slight, that is Brucey hands down!

Wait a minute!

[grahambop]

Wtf?! More than a slight, that is Brucey hands down!

Only fair to show Bruce Forman playing (here he’s playing Barney Kessel’s guitar):

[grahambop]

I should have picked this one, more on-topic!

[pauln]

Only fair to show Bruce Forman playing (here he’s playing Barney Kessel’s guitar):

He's not even afraid of the dusty frets!

[KingKong]

I should have picked this one, more on-topic!

Well this brings the thread nicely back to its original topic.

Kessel's autumn leaves I'm assuming played on that very same guitar is one of my favourite versions:

[Christian Miller]

Some nonsense I charted out. Make of this what you will.

[KingKong]

Some nonsense I charted out. Make of this what you will.

FFS what's with the piano score, no one can read a note of it?!

Where's the tab,not got time for this...?

[PMB]

Gm is the usual jam session key. Probably Miles fault. Trumpets like Gm/Bb.

Or perhaps Cannonball Adderley is to blame? His late '50s album, Something Else (featuring Miles in a rare role as sideman) has one of the best known versions of "Autumn Leaves". It's also one of the first recordings in Gm/Bb. Adderley would have played a concert key chart in Em/G on his alto sax for the session with the result sounding down a major 6th.

[pauln]

Is there anyone that doesn't think Autumn Leaves' first chord
is actually unsounded Em harmonic context for the anacrusis?

[mr. beaumont]

It sounds better in Em. Or even Dm.

(ducks and covers)

[supersoul]

according to this: History and Analysis of “Autumn Leaves”
it was originally in Amin

[mr. beaumont]

according to this: History and Analysis of “Autumn Leaves”
it was originally in Amin

Yves did it in Dm, Edith in Bbm.

What was that tomfoolery about not needing to know songs in different keys?

[Christian Miller]

FFS what's with the piano score, no one can read a note of it?!

Where's the tab,not got time for this...?

There you go

[Bobby Timmons]

FFS what's with the piano score, no one can read a note of it?!

Where's the tab,not got time for this...?

Get it together Kong! :P

[KingKong]

There you go

Right, who the hell is gonna know where all those notes are on the fretboard?!

I said tab!

[Christian Miller]

Right, who the hell is gonna know where all those notes are on the fretboard?!

I said tab!

that is tab innit

[pauln]

Originally Posted by supersoul
according to this: History and Analysis of “Autumn Leaves”

it was originally in Amin

Yves did it in Dm, Edith in Bbm.

What was that tomfoolery about not needing to know songs in different keys?

I was referring to the OP's version that "starts" with the Am7 but really starts with a silent Em harmonic context for the anacrusis.

On knowing songs in different (or all) keys... imagine a song in Gb major, but you need to play an E major chord.
Which of these ways do you see it?

- the E major is seen as E G# B because EGB's intervals are stacked thirds, so you disregard the song's key signature of Gb major?
or
- the E major is seen as E nat Ab Cb, disregarding it as stacked thirds because EAC are the notes of those pitches in the key of Gb major?
or
- something else (apart from by ear) ?

[mr. beaumont]

Originally Posted by supersoul
according to this: History and Analysis of “Autumn Leaves”

it was originally in Amin



I was referring to the OP's version that "starts" with the Am7 but really starts with a silent Em harmonic context for the anacrusis.

On knowing songs in different (or all) keys... imagine a song in Gb major, but you need to play an E major chord.
Which of these ways do you see it?

- the E major is seen as E G# B because EGB's intervals are stacked thirds, so you disregard the song's key signature of Gb major?
or
- the E major is seen as E nat Ab Cb, disregarding it as stacked thirds because EAC are the notes of those pitches in the key of Gb major?
or
- something else (apart from by ear) ?

Oh, totally agree on the starts on the tonic minor part.

My post had nothing to do with yours, it was meant to give some shit to Kongzilla.

If anybody thinks this isn't a minor key tune, they've never listened to it.