Upbeats

[christianm77]

I do have understanding.
CM idolizes Parker and admits he knows very little about clave (and Latin rhythms which all came out of embellishments, variations, and extrapolations of African Tresillio).
He says Wynton Kelly and Red Garland played dotted eight sixteenths swing: false
He said Miles was a symmetrical (boring rhythm) player: false

I suspect that Parker may not have had any formal understanding of Clave, at least when he was developing his approach. That of course is not the same thing as saying he didn't play it. (In fact, I would say he certainly did, I have a video about it and everything.)

Cuban music is a universe unto itself, and Cuban musicians also have a deep way of theorising and talking about rhythm. Because of this, I would shy away from professing any knowledge about it if I didn't. I think what CM is saying is similar - he wants to avoid being pretentious. But what he is is a master of American (i.e. US) Jazz.

I agree that dotted eighth sixteenth is an exaggeration, but I also agree with CM Wynton has a bigger 'dot' than Barry.

Re: the last point, I don't think that's what he said. And at no point does he speak about Miles with disrespect. But he is IMO correct that Donna Lee is rhythmically more straightforward than Parker's compositions being mostly running 8ths, which both reflects Miles's bop playing at this stage and his credited bop-era compositions like Little Willie Leaps and the Serpent's Tooth etc.

[rintincop]

It's likely there's something that he knows he doesn't know that we don't know that we don't know.

[christianm77]

It's likely there's something that he knows he doesn't know that we don't know that we don't know.

Are you Donald Rumsfeld?

[rpjazzguitar]

In case this is helpful (I'm new here)

B locrian is all white keys.

B locrian #2 raises the C to C#

That means that B locrian #2 is the same notes as D melodic minor.

[rpjazzguitar]

On the subject of all upbeats.

There are rhythmic styles (I'm thinking samba, but there are probably others) where the guitar comp can be all upbeats.

To make this snap and pop, I've found that it helps to get a rhythm in my right wrist. Almost as if the wrist motion is like an independent machine and you're just making it oscillate without thinking about your left hand.

I've also found that it helps to drag the backs of my fingernails on the strings as I reposition for the next upbeat. It seems to make the rhythm sharper even though you can barely hear it. For me, it's much harder to get it snapping and popping if I don't do the fingernail scrape.

Anybody else notice any of this?

[rintincop]

Calypso, Reggae, Bossa all good with the "+ + + + "

I play solo piano and I often play my left hand on all "+ + + +" while I solo my right hand ...
The way I can do this is to tap my left heal.

In general:
With even eighths I accent +
With Long short swing eighths I accent +


I also like to lay back and accelerate the phrases
So, no two pairs are quite the same...

And Garner loved the continuous dotted quarter notes with his left hand chords for long stretches.

[christianm77]

There's quite an art swinging the dotted quarter