Mystery scale

[Mick-7]

A music trivia question I suppose.... Does anyone know if this scale has a formal name?

It's a half-whole step diminished scale with the 4th & 8th scale tones removed or a whole-half step dim. scale with the 3rd & 7th scale tones removed. It's constructed by combining two minor triads a tritone apart.

[pauln]

I asked Chatbot (seems confused)
The notes F, F#, G#, B, C, and D form a scale known as the **F# Phrygian dominant scale** (or F Phrygian dominant). This scale is derived from the E harmonic minor scale and is characterized by a flattened second (G#) and a raised third (A#). In this case, it can also be seen as part of the F# Mixolydian mode when looking at the specific intervals.

I asked the internet (now I'm confused)
Scale name Formal notes Simplified notes
B Diminished (halftone - wholetone) B C D Eb F F# G# A B C D Eb F F# G# A
F# Diminished (wholetone - halftone) F# G# A B C D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F
D# Diminished (wholetone - halftone) D# E# F# G# A B B# C## D# F F# G# A B C D
G# Diminished (halftone - wholetone) G# A B C D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F F#
A Diminished (wholetone - halftone) A B C D Eb F F# G# A B C D Eb F F# G#
D# Octatonic (W-H) D# E# F# G# A B B# C## D# F F# G# A B C D
F# Diminished F# G# A B C D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F
G# Octatonic (H-W) G# A B B# D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F F#
G# Half Diminished G# A B B# D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F F#
F# Octatonic (W-H) F# G# A B C D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F
D# Diminished D# E# F# G# A B B# C## D# F F# G# A B C D
B Half Diminished B C D D# F F# G# A B C D D# F F# G# A
B Octatonic (H-W) B C D D# F F# G# A B C D D# F F# G# A
A Octatonic (W-H) A B C D Eb F F# G# A B C D Eb F F# G#
A Diminished A B C D Eb F F# G# A B C D Eb F F# G#
G# Hungarian Major G# A## B# C## D# E# F# G# B C D D# F F#
C Arabian (a) C D Eb F F# G# A B C D Eb F F# G# A B
C# Moorish Phrygian C# D E E# F# G# G## B B# C# D E F F# G# A B C
D# Arabian (a) D# E# F# G# G## A## B# C## D# F F# G# A B C D
D Hungarian Major D E# F# G# A B C D F F# G# A B C
F# Algerian F# G# A B B# C# D E# F# G# A B C C# D F
F# Arabian (a) F# G# A B B# C## D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F
A Arabian (a) A B C D D# E# F# G# A B C D D# F F# G#

[Mick-7]

Well, the scale only has 6 notes.... but I see a pentatonic scale prospect: A Harmonic pentatonic: C-D-F-G#-B-C.

And with the 6th (F#) instead of b6th is good too: C-D-F#-G#-B-C.

I see the second scale is in my pentatonic scale list (in my Slonimsky thread), I called it: A Melodic Minor pentatonic (D13b5/Ab7b5#9).

[pauln]

Scale name_________Formal notes______Simplified notes
D Hungarian Major D E# F# G# A B C__D F F# G# A B C

Maybe second mode of D Hungarian Major
less the tonic (D) of the first mode?

[Mick-7]

Scale name_________Formal notes______Simplified notes
D Hungarian Major D E# F# G# A B C__D F F# G# A B C

Maybe second mode of D Hungarian Major less the tonic (D) of the first mode?

The scale contains the note 'D', but not 'A' - D-F-F#-G#-B-C.

So it's A Harmonic/Melodic minor (contains both the b6th & nat.6th) without the root (A) and the 5th (E).

[pauln]

[Mick-7]

Actually, it's probably not kosher to name a scale after the tonic note and then omit that note, as I did.

Your scale name would be better if it was correct, i.e., what you called D Hungarian Major, with the 5th scale tone omitted:
D F F# G# (A) B C.

However, that is not the Hungarian Major scale. D Hungarian Minor = D-E-F-G#-A-Bb-C# (= D Harmonic Minor with #4).
So Hungarian Major would be: D-E-F#-G#-A-Bb-C#. (= Harmonic Major with #4).

I think I'll just call it the Dom.13b5#9 scale - e.g., D13b5#9 & Ab13b5#9.